Broward judge to hear case on whether Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz are 'natural born citizens'

Tampa Bay Times ^ | Mar 3, 2016 | Amy Sherman

[Liz]

Cruz said he would “let others worry about the silly stuff” - which is a complete lack of due diligence.

He/s letting others worry abut the "silly stuff?" That from a Harvard lawyer w/ two Ivy League degrees does give one pause.

Cruz has no one to blame but himself for his predicament.

Amen.

[wintertime]

When did Trump plant a seed?

CRUZ did by his very existence!

Born in Canada.
Father not a U.S. citizen.
No record of his normalization of his U.S. citizenship.
Canadian citizen into his 40s.
Parents permanently settled in Canada into his 4th year.
And..I have read that Cruz's mother voted in Canadian elections.

Trump didn't plant any of these “seeds”!

[Liz]

That/s so true....shouldn/t have to ask b/c he/s been
spotted at hockey games wearing his Mounty uniform.

[walkingdead]

“It didn’t work, and if it ever did in the past it never will again.”

The natural born clause didnt work because it was ignored. And here we are, the republican side, trying our level best to ignore it again.

I shall repeat..... The founders are frowning upon us.

[tacticalogic]

I shall repeat..... The founders are frowning upon us.

And I shall repeat.... you're wanting to use the letter of the law to violate the intent, and I think your confidence in their approval is badly misplaced.

[walkingdead]

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

[tacticalogic]

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

We both are entitled to our opinions. Neither of us is entitled to present them as fact.

[walkingdead]

Maybe so, but only one of us is suggesting side stepping part of our founding document.

[OKSooner]

" Cruz either has the Canadian-issued Consular Report of Birth Abroad, which is his legal proof of US Citizenship, or he doesn't. Would appear his parents never applied for it....making Cruz a bonafide Canadian. "

Eh?

[tacticalogic]

Maybe so, but only one of us is suggesting side stepping part of our founding document.

And only one of us is claiming to know what the Founders are thinking right now.

[walkingdead]

I believe the founders were quite clear, and I believe they thought they were being quite clear.

As you stated earlier... Divided loyalties and you are correct.

[Yosemitest]

You OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE that the SAME LAW that APPLIES TO TED CRUZ,
DOES NOT APPLY TO Donald "EMINENT DOMAIN FOR PRIVATE USE" Trump. .

I ask you DIRECTLY:

Since's Donald "EMINENT DOMAIN FOR PRIVATE USE" Trump's mother Mary was born in Scotland,
DO YOU BELIEVE that Trump is NOT a "Natural Born Citizen" ?

When it comes to TED CRUZ the LAW IS VERY CLEAR.

FACT: Cruz’s father’s Cuban nationality at the time of Cruz’s birth, is irrelevant, according to the law at that time,
just so long as he was a LEGAL Immigrant at the time of Ted Cruz's birth,
AND both of Ted Cruz's parents were legally married to each other.

What are the rules for people born between December 23, 1952 and November 13, 1986?

The 14th Amendment IS a part of the U.S. Constitution and states in SECTION 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
So, under that power to legislate, Congress legislated and the President signed into law:
When ONE parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national,
the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child,
with five of the years after the age of 14.

... While there were initially rules regarding what the child must do to retain citizenship,
amendments since 1952 HAVE ELIMINATED THESE REQUIREMENTS.

When Ted Cruz was born, his parents were "IN WEDLOCK".

They married, moved to Calgary, Alberta, and in late 1970 had their first and only child, Rafael Edward Cruz.
Cruz was born on December 22, 1970 in Calgary, Alberta, Canada where his parents, Eleanor Elizabeth Darragh Wilson and Rafael Bienvenido Cruz.

Cruz's mother was born and raised in Wilmington, Delaware, in a family of three quarters Irish and one quarter Italian descent.
Eleanor Darragh, mother of Ted Cruz, was raised in Delaware, graduated from a Catholic High School (1952) in the U.S., as well as Rice University (1956),
so clearly she meets the residency requirements.

Source

In 1957, Rafael Bienvenido Cruz (Ted Cruz's father) decided to get out of Cuba by applying to the University of Texas.
Upon being admitted, he adds, he got a four-year student visa at the U.S. Consulate in Havana.

"Since he liked to eat seven days a week, he worked seven days a week, and he paid his way through the University of Texas," Ted Cruz says of his father, "and then ended up getting a job and eventually going on to start a small business and to work towards the American dream."

Only he did that in Canada, where Ted was born.
His father went there after having earlier obtained political asylum in the U.S. when his student visa ran out.
He then got a green card, he says, and married Ted's mother, an American citizen.
The two of them moved to Canada to work in the oil industry.

"I worked in Canada for eight years," Rafael Cruz says. "And while I was in Canada, I became a Canadian citizen."

The elder Cruz says he renounced his Canadian citizenship when he finally became a U.S. citizen in 2005 —
48 years after leaving Cuba.
Why did he take so long to do it?
"I don't know. I guess laziness, or — I don't know," he says.

So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

One more thing, listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:

MARK LEVIN explains that Ted Cruz IS a natural born citizen ( 7:30 )
Published on Sep 17, 2013

[Yosemitest]

What's total B..S. is your retort.

The LAW IS CLEAR, and I LINKED TO IT through MANY, MANY SOURCES.
But YOU, LIKE ALL OF Donald "EMINENT DOMAIN FOR PRIVATE USE" Trump's SUPPORTERS, CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH !

[tacticalogic]

As you stated earlier... Divided loyalties and you are correct.

Other than circumstances of birth that he had no control over, what reason do you have to believe that Ted Cruz feels any loyalty all to any country other than the United States?

[libertylover]

Ah, yes. Broward County. Where DemocRATS are to too stupid to vote properly

:-)

[walkingdead]

Does not matter. His birth is enough to automatically disqualify him. You are correct in that he had no control over it but that does not matter.

Your could have the best candidate ever, with a love if America so deep that it hurt, but if you cannot satisfy the NBC clause you cannot be president, no matter how great you may be.

At birth Cruz, Rubio, Obama all had divided loyalties. None are qualified.

[Arm_Bears]

Touche.

I do my best editing after I hit enter.

[OKSooner]

I believe their intent was to try and prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President. If it's going to allow someone like Hillary and disallow someone like Cruz then we've fallen into the trap of letting the letter of the law violate the intent.

The law isn't in place to define a qualitative difference between individuals like the one you cite between Cruz and Hillary. That's for the voters, or in the more Constitutional sense, for the States to determine.

The law is what it is to prevent a precedent that would allow any old Jose, or Vladimir, or Hu - uh, Abdul - yeah, that's the ticket, any old Abdul who was NOT born on American soil nor to an American father, but who can claim an American mom, from being elected President.

Like you say, divided or conflicting loyalties in the best case, or the possibility of outright hostility.

But that could never happen... /s

[OKSooner]

Re-post:

" I believe their intent was to try and prevent someone with divided loyalties from becoming President. If it's going to allow someone like Hillary and disallow someone like Cruz then we've fallen into the trap of letting the letter of the law violate the intent. "

The law isn't in place to define a qualitative difference between individuals like the one you cite between Cruz and Hillary. That's for the voters, or in the more Constitutional sense, for the States to determine.

The law is what it is to prevent a precedent that would allow any old Jose, or Vladimir, or Hu - uh, Abdul - yeah, that's the ticket, any old Abdul who was NOT born on American soil nor to an American father, but who can claim an American mom, from being elected President.

Like you say, divided or conflicting loyalties in the best case, or the possibility of outright hostility.

But that could never happen... /s

[tacticalogic]

That depends on whether you take an originalist or textualist view of the Constitution.

To an originalist, what matters is intent. To a textualist, all that matters is the words.