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Senator Mike Lee Pushes to Definitively Bar Women from the Draft
National Review ^ | 02/10/2016 | Elaina Plott

Posted on 02/10/2016 9:08:11 AM PST by GIdget2004

As early as Thursday, Senator Mike Lee will drop in a new bill that would definitively bar women from registering for the selective service, pairing legislative text with the recent explosion in debate on the issue.

The exclusion of women from the draft is already law – upheld by the Supreme Court in 1981 — but the rationale for the Court's decision centered on the combat restrictions for women that existed at the time. Now that those restrictions have been lifted — Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced the change in December — so too has the premise for current law.

The Utah senator seeks to preempt a scenario in which the Supreme Court takes up another challenge to the selective-service law and decides to "rewrite it like they did for Obamacare," says Conn Carroll, a spokesman for Lee. He thinks it's plausible the Court would reason that because women can now fight on the frontlines, "Congress must have meant drafting women would be ok, too."

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1 posted on 02/10/2016 9:08:11 AM PST by GIdget2004
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To: GIdget2004

Its amazing how the Left is again maneuvering conservatives into battling themselves over a manufactured political issue.


2 posted on 02/10/2016 9:10:33 AM PST by PGR88
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To: GIdget2004
Senator Mike Lee Pushes to Definitively Bar Women from the Draft

No. Either fix this idiocy in the Military, or force them in.

Pressure to fix what is wrong will not be maintained unless there is a stick with which to beat liberal politicians over the head.

The prospect of female voters being aghast at being forced in, is that stick.

Don't throw away the stick.

3 posted on 02/10/2016 9:11:19 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: GIdget2004

If: Women are to be admitted to all areas of the military
Then: They should be subject to the draft.

Live it, love it, libtards,

You started this crap, now wallow in it.


4 posted on 02/10/2016 9:11:21 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: GIdget2004

Why not just do away with selective service registration entirely?


5 posted on 02/10/2016 9:11:40 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Da Coyote
You started this crap, now wallow in it.

I totally agree. Skin in the game.

6 posted on 02/10/2016 9:13:59 AM PST by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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To: GIdget2004

Senator Mike Lee, you better tell Sen. John McCain


7 posted on 02/10/2016 9:15:34 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: GIdget2004

Can he bar men from it too?

You know, that whole idea of men having to drop their lives to make the nation safe for gals to fret over which pair of “cute” boots to buy, while they are off getting shot at, is bull.

Just eliminate Selective Service.


8 posted on 02/10/2016 9:16:33 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: GIdget2004

Not all positions in the military are combat.

As a former Infantryman, women are not capable of that job due to lack of upper body strength, and during long duration forward deployment, sanitation becomes an issue.

But that is just Infantry. (Same for armor and artillery.)
There is no reason women can’t be drafted into support units - that’s where they are now.

This is just another congress critter grandstanding with no real world experience. No wonder he and Cruz are partners.


9 posted on 02/10/2016 9:17:02 AM PST by datura (Proud Infidel)
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To: GIdget2004

I love when liberal hypocricy collides with liberal hypocricy. Somebody posted a link to a YouTube vid of Triumph the Insult Dog at a college in New Hampshire. It’s dirty but funny. In fact, I think it had to be filthy to prove the point that liberal policies are failures.


10 posted on 02/10/2016 9:19:29 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: GIdget2004

This is good! But women in the military can’t be whining about wanting to be in combat units. NO.


11 posted on 02/10/2016 9:20:17 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel ("God only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence." (Psa 62:2))
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To: DiogenesLamp

While I absolutely abhor the idea of women being drafted into the military to serve in the infantry, combat engineers, etc., I have to agree. The time for political maneuvering has (or should) come to an end; “This is the world you’ve created - now live in it!”

In my opinion, the only way to put an end to this idiocy is to have America’s parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters screaming at the top of their lungs when they register the young women in their families for Selective Service. Then it becomes real for everyone.


12 posted on 02/10/2016 9:33:23 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: GIdget2004

Call it the “make me a sammich” bill.


13 posted on 02/10/2016 9:43:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: GIdget2004
Female Gunnery Sergeant has HARDCORE response to Rubio/Christie/Bush on women in combat

The three Republican candidates apparently bought into the left’s argument that this is an equal opportunity issue. No, this is a combat readiness issue. Period. Women in combat isn’t a feel good argument about “if she wants to do it” or “it’s her choice.” We’re talking about the difference between living or dying, and living means crushing an enemy whose only way to survive is by killing his opponent.

None of the candidates stated they researched the issue, or that they spoke to any of the military leaders who have requested exemption for infantry and commando units. So to me, many jumped on board the narrative to appeal to female voters. Before any candidate supports the draft, he or she needs to take a closer look to understand what it really means. It doesn’t mean women will be assigned to desk jobs to “Free a man to fight” like during WWII. It means women can and will be involuntarily assigned to combat and infantry units.

Be straight to the voters. Women in combat will cause women to die at a much higher rate then men in the next conflict.

The primary mission of the military is to eliminate the enemy by the quickest and most powerful means possible. When the military experiences any change, it should be to make units more lethal. There is zero evidence women in the infantry, special forces, or combat arms can do this.

The Marine Corps conducted a year-long study on women in integrated infantry units. The results clearly demonstrated women were not as effective as men in combat operations. However, critics shouted that the study was flawed and claimed the strongest and best women weren’t chosen for the study. The women in the study were stunned and insulted when Secretary Mabus “suggested the Marines’ study was flawed due to the caliber and mindset of the volunteer participants.” Several female Marines spoke out that Mabus dismissed their capabilities. Simply put, the Marines felt the Secretary of the Navy threw them under the bus. The Secretary’s argument wasn’t only insulting, it was highly flawed. Just to be a female Marine means you are already above average in fitness compared to most women. Apparently, even to the Secretary, that wasn’t good enough for the study.

The critics of the Marine Corps study actually proved my point: you must be a super woman to do this, and anyone less shouldn’t have been selected for the study. Isn’t that a contradiction to what is already a high standard women meet even to be a Marine?

The military isn’t being honest with women. All data shows that women are injured at twice the rate of men. Yes – TWICE the rate. In Army basic combat training women were injured 114 percent higher rate than men. These statistics are just in present combat support roles, not the combat/infantry units. Is the military disclosing this injury rate to women? Of course not, because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Even as engineers and military police, women have 108 percent higher injury ratings.

Sustained combat operations are physical. Even if a female can meet the standards men currently have in place, she will always be in the bottom percentile physically. Women have less muscle mass and less lung capacity – this is common knowledge. So even the most physically fit women are not going to be competitive with physically fit men. And after serving 20 years in the Marines, I can assure you, Marines are physically fit. One of the greatest areas emphasized by the Corps is physical fitness for the simple reason: to sustain long term combat operations, a Marine must be in top physical shape. Bodies break that can’t maintain the immense stress and physical requirements carrying gear and weapons for long periods of time.

Few women serve in the infantry in any other nation and the reality is, those countries are experiencing difficulties making it work. Israel doesn’t have women on the front lines. There are women in Kurdistan fighting – but much of their training and front line engagement is not revealed. Females in Israel only serve 2 years and don’t serve in units on their front lines. The reality is that both Israel and Kurdistan require all hands on deck, so to speak. It’s imperative for their survival. However, the U.S. is the tip of the spear fighting terrorism and evil dictators that have no hesitation to destroy America or her allies. We can’t modify standards just to give everyone a chance to face ISIS in hand-to-hand combat. It’s imperative we maintain standards and be the most lethal force on the planet.

14 posted on 02/10/2016 9:47:58 AM PST by kabar
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To: PGR88

It is an irrational, Marxist issue to pretend women are interchangeable with men. It is needed for the brainwashing and perceptions of the children to remove us from Christian Ethics, and the US Constitution and understanding of Natural Law Theory (Age of Reason and Western Civilization).

They have to normalize the irrational—embed ideas in little children to make them “believe” the Big Lies..


15 posted on 02/10/2016 9:49:15 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: GIdget2004
Senator Mike Lee Pushes to Definitively Bar Women from the Draft
What draft?

If women want all the things/opportunities/responsibilities that are available to men in the military, then they should be required to sign up for selective service just like men do...Otherwise STFU!

16 posted on 02/10/2016 9:53:45 AM PST by lewislynn (Ted Cruz: " I'll never have 'a plane with my name" …(or a Presidential seal))
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To: savagesusie
It is an irrational, Marxist issue to pretend women are interchangeable with men.

I agree with everything you say. My only point - let Obama, Chuck Schumer or the left raise this divisive issue first. Have they?

17 posted on 02/10/2016 9:56:33 AM PST by PGR88
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To: GIdget2004

If the Feminazis want to be allowed into combat then they should be drafted as well. They want their cake and eat it too (combat and no SS/draft). Don’t give it to them.

And I’m a female.


18 posted on 02/10/2016 10:06:20 AM PST by reaganaut (Insert tagline here)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I agree—draft ‘em!! Give ‘me some reality, and not necessarily frontline positions.


19 posted on 02/10/2016 10:07:46 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: Da Coyote; DoodleDawg

I 100% agree with you however I think the draft should be abolished, in a free society the draft is nothing more than involuntary servitude, there will always be citizens who will enlist to fight, WWII for example, plenty of non-whites who faced issues at home still enlisted even Japanese-Americans.


20 posted on 02/10/2016 10:09:54 AM PST by the_individual2014
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