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Cruz Super PAC Warns of 'TrumpCare' in New Ad
National Review Online ^ | January 25, 2016 | TIM ALBERTA

Posted on 01/25/2016 9:27:19 PM PST by CA Conservative

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To: vette6387

Lowering the too-high expectations in hopes that his money doesn’t dry up before he has a chance to lose in NH, SC, and join the loser parade on Super Tuesday.


21 posted on 01/25/2016 9:46:04 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first ande then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Problem with the ad is that it's a lie. Trump in that interview wasn't talking about government funded universal healthcare. He was talking about opening up markets for cross-state insurance companies, among other things. The "government funded" line is straight out out of context.

Here is the full context and it's not out of context: Scott Pelley: What's your plan for Obamacare?

Donald Trump: Obamacare's going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what's going on with premiums where they're up 45, 50, 55 percent.

Scott Pelley: How do you fix it?

Donald Trump: There's many different ways, by the way. Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, "No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private." But--

Scott Pelley: Universal health care?

Donald Trump: I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.

Scott Pelley: The uninsured person is going to be taken care of how?

Donald Trump: They're going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably--

Scott Pelley: Make a deal? Who pays for it?

Donald Trump: --the government's gonna pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.

22 posted on 01/25/2016 9:46:42 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: SeaHawkFan

Absolutely!! Iowa is going to turn on Donald Trump and Ted Cruz is going to win big!! Especially as Glen Beck starts to draw bigger crowds for Ted than Trump ever did!! Ever!!


23 posted on 01/25/2016 9:47:41 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: CA Conservative

It’s important not to forget that only a few weeks ago, Trump singularly upset the whole election apple cart!

Trump set the national agenda by opposing illegal immigration and bringing up other issues that the GOPe and their allies desperately wanted to avoid, and now they can’t.

The GOPe was not prepared for this, and as a consequence they don’t have a clue about what to do, hence their almost universal collapse into a pile of quivering jello, flip-flopping like a bag of Mexican jumping beans dumped on a hot griddle.

Trump has exposed those who pretend to be conservative but are really just fronts for big money establishment campaign donors who purchase their candidates with campaign “donations”.

Trump, by actually being a real man, has exposed the other candidates (Cruz excepting of course) and their allies for the weak little sniveling sellouts that they really are.

Trump’s vociferous truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media have been the catalyst that triggered a massive revolt amongst conservative voters who are infuriated at the GOPe Congress doing absolutely ZERO to stop Obama’s agenda, and suddenly the GOP RINO leadership is in full blown panic mode and in full blown retreat, and the SMALL conservative House contingent smelt blood in the water, took heart, and charged in against a weakened, frightened and paralyzed GOPe leadership, and Boehner was taken out as a sacrificial lamb.

Trump is absolutely correct when he says that without Trump in the race, everything would be same-ol’, same-ol. The Joyful Tippy-Toes Turtle would be creeping closer to the finish line, Boehner would still be safely ensconced as Speaker, and there would be no mention of illegal immigration are any of the issues surrounding it by any politician in either party, other than possibly how critical it would be to pass immigration “reform”.

The media are loath to make the connection, but it’s obvious that the Boehner resignation was yet another falling domino, toppling due to the Trump Effect, because Trump’s unabashed truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media triggered a revolt amongst the great unwashed GOP masses which emboldened a few conservative Congress critters to grow a few pairs.

And our nation wouldn’t even be having ANY of these conversations about illegal immigration and the myriad of other Obammunist issues destroying our country if it wasn’t for Trump. Instead, we’d simply be debating which RINO, GOPe squish would be least likely to be stomped by Hillary, and the GOPe would once again be exhorting the “base” about how critical it is for us to once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, that is, vote for the GOPe side of the Uniparty coin.

And do note that ALL of the oligarchs and plutocrats are frightened to death of Donald Trump because the billionaires and millionaires can’t buy him like all of the other politicians they routinely purchase, because Trump doesn’t need nor want their money, and the kommie media is frightened to death of him because he isn’t afraid of them either, the bottom line being that Donald Trump can not be controlled by the rich and powerful or the corrupt media, so for anyone who is truly for campaign finance reform and wants to take money out of politics, voting for Trump is the only reasonable choice.

President Trump is really the last hope for this country: if he can’t undo any of the damage wrought by the Obammunists, the U.S.A. is done.

So least we forget, the above, and much more, are called “The Trump Effect”.


24 posted on 01/25/2016 9:48:29 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“I love how Cruz says in every speech that he’s not going to get down in the gutter and sling slurs.”

I know! Can you believe how far he has sunk. I mean - he is practically handing the nomination to Trump. Even having ads with Trump’s own words in them - Trump can pay for his own ads.


25 posted on 01/25/2016 9:48:52 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; All
Here is the full context and it's not out of context

No, that really wasn't the full context. The beginning of the conversation begins with talking about his plans for insurance-competition. "Universal Healthcare," quite naturally, would rule that out. As for the "deals with hospitals," we have that already. It's called Medicaid.

26 posted on 01/25/2016 9:50:09 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: catnipman

You have spammed that response on at least 25 different threads that I have seen. Before that, you had another canned response you were spamming every thread with. What do you do, get someone to write a response for you and then they pay you by the post??


27 posted on 01/25/2016 9:50:48 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: nathanbedford
Evidently to Trump supporters quoting Trump's own words back at him is to "get down in the dirt."

Well, it IS getting down into the dirt when you take them out of context in order to create a deception.

28 posted on 01/25/2016 9:51:36 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: SubMareener

step away from the crack pipe...

You people who think that the election turns on a few comments about healthcare are amazing. Most people would love to seem what Trump proposes come to be, what they don’t want is complicated expensive Obamacare, and as long as Trump keeps saying “ Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 45, 50, 55 percent”, his lead will continue to grow because that’s exactly what people want.


29 posted on 01/25/2016 9:53:54 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first ande then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Well, it IS getting down into the dirt when you take them out of context in order to create a deception.

And Trump supporters have never quoted anything from Cruz out of context, never deceptively edited video to present a false impression... Look, you may feel the ad gives a false impression. However, when you consider Trump's long-held position in favor of single-payer healthcare, I don't think the perception it leaves is false at all. I think it is a realistic view of what Trump would give us if elected, because it agrees with his personal view on the issue, just not his current political stance.

30 posted on 01/25/2016 9:56:10 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative; catnipman
You have spammed that response on at least 25 different threads that I have seen.

That's rich coming from a guy who literally responds to me the same way in every thread we engage in.

31 posted on 01/25/2016 9:56:30 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CA Conservative
And Trump supporters have never quoted anything from Cruz out of context, never deceptively edited video to present a false impression... Look, you may feel the ad gives a false impression. However, when you consider Trump's long-held position in favor of single-payer healthcare, I don't think the perception it leaves is false at all.

What twisted logic. So it doesn't matter what Trump really was saying, as long as it fits a perception about a past position that is explicitly contradicted by his quotes here, it's still accurate. "Fake but true!"

32 posted on 01/25/2016 9:57:29 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Right, he wasn't specifically promising a universal, single-payer system.

But he unequivocally was talking about some kind of system where everyone would be covered, and that the government would pay as necessary to ensure that everyone was covered.

If you disagree, what alternative meaning do you attach to him saying that "everyone" would be covered, and that "the goverment" would pay for it?

33 posted on 01/25/2016 9:57:31 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
But he unequivocally was talking about some kind of system where everyone would be covered, and that the government would pay as necessary to ensure that everyone was covered.

Helloooo, what do you think Medicaid even does? Big difference with trying to claim that Trump supporters Universal Single Payer.

34 posted on 01/25/2016 9:58:52 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
No, that really wasn't the full context. The beginning of the conversation begins with talking about his plans for insurance-competition. "Universal Healthcare," quite naturally, would rule that out. As for the "deals with hospitals," we have that already. It's called Medicaid.

FALSE. The entire interview transcript is online. If it were not the FULL context, you would have quoted it. Back up your claim.

35 posted on 01/25/2016 9:59:09 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
And needless to say, everyine is not covered under either Obamacare, nor what proceeded it.
36 posted on 01/25/2016 10:00:07 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
That's rich coming from a guy who literally responds to me the same way in every thread we engage in.

Yes, but I respond to what is being posted. He just does a cut-and-paste of the same rant over and over again.

37 posted on 01/25/2016 10:00:33 PM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
FALSE. The entire interview transcript is online

Notice you don't say: "I pasted the entire exchange!" You just claim it's available, and then assert that what I said is "false" even as you basically reveal your dishonesty. Now you're demanding that I do what you were too dishonest to do for yourself.

38 posted on 01/25/2016 10:00:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: CA Conservative; catnipman
Yes, but I respond to what is being posted.

No you don't. You repeat the same BS even after multiple refutations or as if we never discussed it before. Leave the poor dude alone.

39 posted on 01/25/2016 10:02:25 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Medicaid does not cover everyone who cannot afford insurance. If you think it does, you have no idea what you’re talking about.


40 posted on 01/25/2016 10:02:53 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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