Posted on 01/25/2016 12:24:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
"...in the Republican camp there's a soft civil war going on in preparation,..for the upcoming Iowa primary. One wag..indicated Iowa should get the first primary in the nation or ethanol subsidies,but not both. The point is well taken. With the exception of only Cruz to my knowledge, candidates desiring an early win and momentum promise to keep the subsidies going.(The Democrat caucuses in that state resemble nothing so much as the Zimbabwe farmers-workers meetings where in true Marxist style the layabout operatives who can stay at it longer win the game as everyone else goes home to work or tend to their family obligations.)
Cruz and Trump, the leading contenders on the Republican side,have their fierce defenders and detractors,though most people concede either would be preferable to the criminal serial liar or the aged Commie on the Democratic ticket. City Journal had to my way of thinking a really sound explanation for Trump's popularity:..
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..I don't know where I am in this debate. In a sense we are like the blind men trying to describe an elephant. Do we trust the polls,can we really decide who is the most "electable" candidate except by crowd size? What will the candidates do if elected? Surely we know by now that whatever candidates say to win,their promises will be tempered by the facts on the ground at the time. I think voters know this and are more interested in how they view the personal attributes of the candidates. Helmuth Von Moltke the Elder famously noted,"No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy." Experience teaches that political promises rarely survive the shifting moods of the electorate and Congress, economic exigencies,and the actions of our enemies. I do consider this election a critically important,perhaps existential one,and hope that..others can see this and quit the civil war.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
has trump said he supports the subsidies? if so, why?
“NonPolitician” Trump is pandering on Ethanol like a McCainesque Conservative-in-campaign-only.
To see the flimflam man operate and to see the unwashed masses lapping it up is remarkable.
If he wins the nomination, God help us, he is unlikely to win the WH, although he will pander to Democrats and will have cred since he has been a big time Dem supporter,and they may be okay with his Republican pretense. Who knows?
The Dems are about as bright as the Repub Trump supporters so anything could happen.
I did read a poll that claimed Trump supporters tended to be college educated. OF COURSE!!!! College indoctrinated by Lib professors. Makes perfect sense. The undoctrinated see through him (although I am college educated it was before the libs were in complete control. Plus I dare anyone to tell me what to think!!!! Including A__H___)
The only war that matters is immigration.
Open borders = no more America.
It’s an existential threat.
It’s build a wall vs. teddy bears on the border.
There’s NO other issue that matters.
Judges, elections, economy.
If we are invaded by the 3rd world, our entire Republic will collapse.
Vote for the person most likely to stop that. It’s the ONLY issue on the ballot.
What about enforcing laws?
A fence can/is and will be breached (so many promises of a wall being built I’ve lost count).
What assurances do you have that Trump will do tomorrow what he tells you today?
Part of American energy independence especially from opec. He wants maximum us energy production from all sources. We’ll find Saudi money opposing him,I would think
do you understand the deal with ethynol or whatever it’s called, and the subsidies?
isn’t just an environmentalist thing and money for corn croppers?
i dont know. honestly. that’s just what i’ve read in conservative circles
Several years back it was the Communist and Socialist countries that complained about Americans use of Ethanol. Mainly they considered it a misuse of food product that the U.S could be distributing to ailing nations and in itself was contributing to higher food prices throughout the world.
When I say several years, that could mean as much as a decade or more, perhaps centered around the mid 90’s.
— I have no source but my recollection.
I do believe though that ethanol subsidies have a definite strategic advantage for the country. I just wish it would help more of the small farmers rather than the large agricorps that have been sucking up the heartland farmland for years.
As for me? I don’t buy anything with high fructose corn syrup in it, or as little as possible. Hunts has an excellent Ketchup that is high fructose corn syrup free.
And all by the same person...And Trump is the only one who says he will move the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem...
What assurances do you have that Trump will do tomorrow what he tells you today?
Everyone you support is against those plans but we should vote for one of them because, 'what if Trump is lying'...
What is more scary is 'what if your guys are telling the truth'??? They like giving our money and military support to the terrorists in the Middle East...They have allowed Obama to give the Iranians nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them to the U.S....They are allowing Obama to create all kinds of anti-American EOs without any real objection...They want to force a war with Russia by invading Syria and trying to push Russia out...THAT'S NUTS...
His objective is energy independence and he clearly says so but the detractors won’t deal with it.
Even the governments own information will admit ethanol contains about 2/3 of the energy of gasoline. With 10% ethanol that translates to about 3-4% worse mileage.
Ethanol also attracts and absorbs moisture like any alcohol that can cause corrosion and deterioration of internal parts susceptible to moisture. It eats some traditional tubing, gaskets, seals, etc. It is particularly bad for 2 cycle engines. I’ve had to learn how to completely rebuild 2 cycle carburetors and have had to do it for every 2 cycle engine I’ve got.
The real profiteers on corn ethanol as a gasoline additive are the granary and silo operators as the subsidy recipients, IMO. The farmer gets the benefit of stable and/or modestly increased price for his corn.
Ethanol gas additive only benefits those green zealots who would have us all riding horses (until the PETA dipshits stop that).
The reports I’ve seen says the opposite, that Trump’s supporters are mostly NOT college educated.
i dont know. post 11 was pretty convincing.
Ted’s being honest about not subsidizing and Trump shrewdly jumping on that point probably cost him Iowa.
then i heard he backtracked.
that’s politics. almost impossible to tell the truth all the time.
i would love a scientific reason why ethanol should be subsidized. and not a Green one either :)
that’s a pretty strong case.
i’m open minded. hoping for a scientific response explaining why it’s a good thing for the subsidy to be supported by a candidate.
even an overpoweringly good economic reason would suffice.
not thrilled about it damaging my car though
I am going to vote for Trump, but he is wrong to support these subsidies, just like I think Ted Cruz (who I like also)is wrong to hook up with Glenn Beck.
I guess we can’t all get 100% of what we want, but I will forever continue to believe there is no substantive benefit in the use of ethanol as an additive as long as supplies of oil are enough.
If there was even a beneficial economy to using it, then it wouldn’t need subsidy by the government, would it? A free and open marketplace would demand and get it.
Its use is political and panders to those in this society that have lost all capability to think and reason IMO.
i figured MAYBE if it helped the small farmer stay in business, I dont know.
but then, that’s not capitalism, you’re right.
i’ve accepted that my hometown boy is going to win.
i would rather Cruz not say anything else outlandish and keep dignity for the next run.
that’s ONE concrete thing that Trump has done that i disagree with. Basically telling Iowa that he’s supporting it to get their vote.
but this is politics.
Things will be perfect when/if I get to Heaven.
Generally, I’m opposed to subsidies for anything that I consider long-held operations and practices.
There may be a case for completely new technology subsidies, even energy alternatives, but for ethanol I can’t find any scientific or general economic benefit to the CONSUMER. Ethanol as additive has had plenty of time to prove it is worthwhile on a non-political, non-ideological level. It’s continuance hereafter will grow into the same kind of thing like milk price supports.
A great insight into that debacle and be seen at this link.
http://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=dairy
The HARD civil war is around the corner. Be prepared.
Without Trump we would be stuck in a (another) politically correct election where the subject of the ongoing invasion would not even be brought up. We must take this once in a life time opportunity to reward the man that broke the log jam. Go Trump, go!!
“And Trump is the only one who says he will move the American Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem...”
If you’re going to support Trump, at least be honest about it. Here is Sen Ted Cruz calling for moving the American Embassy to Jerusalem more than a year ago, well before Trump entering the race:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/cruz-move-americas-embassy-to-israels-capital-jerusalem/article/823720
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