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Innovation (including robots) will eliminate 5 million jobs by 2020, study finds
ABC News ^ | January 20, 2016

Posted on 01/20/2016 2:22:58 PM PST by presidio9

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To: Jim 0216
Again, if what you say is true, then past automated innovation should have caused economic hardship. And every time we have reached a new threshold of automation, the naysayers have said, “This is different. This type of automation will cause economic woes.” But research, development, and innovation has always been the catalyst for new vistas of economic opportunity, wealth creation, and economic growth.

The problem is those that tend to fear the future do so because they can’t SEE what will happen and conclude that if they can’t see it, then it won’t exist. At some point, people have to decide whether they’re going to live in fear of the future or in bold faith in a brighter future. Innovation, invention, entrepreneurship all at some point require that gut-level faith in something they don’t yet see but believe in - what they are doing and in the resulting future betterment. And God, who is man’s friend, has something to say about all of this as well.

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You assume I am afriad of it - I am pretty sure I stated above at #36

"I am not a Luddite - the opposite actually. I think this is inevitable and we need to prepare our kids for it. I don't have a solution as to what that preparation may be. Maybe have your son become a tailor or a carpenter or some skill where his craft is in demand and is wanted for being hand made. I think Amish made furniture will be in demand in the future as it is today."

Here is an article on this I found interesting. Let me know if you think this should have its own thread for discussion. PS: I am not saying you are wrong. You could be correct. We won't know the outcome till we open the future box Ala Schrodinger's cat.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/race-zerosurviving-paradigm-shift-automation-tom-bradley

The Race To Zero…Surviving The Paradigm Shift Of Automation

41 posted on 01/21/2016 7:51:48 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Lazamataz

I watched Lost in Space. All jobs involving lightning hands will be done by robots.


42 posted on 01/21/2016 7:53:46 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Jim 0216

The potential difference is destination. Tech innovations mean we require less effort to maintain a higher standard of living. But now we’re getting to the point where that higher standard of living could mean we just don’t need a lot of the population to work. We see it already in manufacturing with output up but jobs way down.


43 posted on 01/21/2016 7:56:38 AM PST by discostu (Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start)
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To: Trumpinator

I think it is a very negative view of things and the future. Again, the economy works on supply and demand. Demand drives supply. If there is a demand for humans rather than automation, like the automated phone thing, then companies who have human-driven customer service will emerge as the winners.

There will always be a place for automation and robots, which as had been pointed out don’t work without power and also have narrow operating parameters, and there will always be a place for human effort and intervention.


44 posted on 01/21/2016 8:04:57 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
I think it is a very negative view of things and the future.

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That is not being negative. That is like saying preparing for an earthquake is negative thinking.

45 posted on 01/21/2016 8:07:14 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
We won't know the outcome till we open the future box Ala Schrodinger's cat.

This is the crux and not an unimportant issue for it is what will drive whether people choose freedom for their future or governmental tyranny to run their lives.

For example, the whole "sustainability" thing that the Left increasing wants to use as a lever of fear to justify more and more government intrusion and tyranny into our individual freedoms.

The basic argument of the Left is the earth is not "sustainable" and at the current the rate of population growth and the usage of water and power, earth's resources will collapse sometime in the relatively near future. But when you drill down, you find there's no actual verifiable truth to these suppositions and in fact history right up to the present proves otherwise. You find that what is really at work here are two things: 1) fear of the unknown and a tenancy to believe the worst, and 2) demagogues who want to take full advantage of these fears to gain political power over the rest.

The alternative to fear is faith which MUST come into play at some point. Man of himself doesn't know what the future holds and of himself, tends towards fear of the unknown future. The only way man can really choose faith is because he believes in the God of the Bible who loves him and created a world without end that is VASTLY sustainable and automatically renewable (as they have begun recently to discover).

This is the the crux now and will be increasingly the heart of the issue: whether man turns to faith in the loving and merciful God of grace and believes God who sees the end from the beginning has a good future for man, or instead turns to reliance on utterly limited man and his government, the blind leading the blind, which inevitably gives rise to fear as an overriding force.

46 posted on 01/21/2016 8:36:47 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Trumpinator

No, it is saying that your whole life revolves around and is focused on the uncertainty of disaster. It is a paradigm, a mindset.

Again life is basically driven by either faith or fear. That is the fundamental issue. Those who live by faith don’t deny that bad things happen, but their lives revolve around believing that good things will happen to them regardless, and their strength is anchored in a belief in a loving and faithful God and the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.


47 posted on 01/21/2016 8:45:31 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
I don't know why you are throwing religion into it. And my comments were about the impact of automation on human labor. I think it will shrink the demand from businesses for human labor in favor of automation. My solution is that in the future you should explore maybe having your kids or grandkids learn a trade like plumbing or carpentry or tailoring because plenty of jobs will be automated - everything from Taxi driver to airplane pilot maybe eliminated in the next 30 years.

Airplane pilot is a high prestige, high intelligence, high skill job - not some manual labor ditch digger job and human pilots maybe out of a job in the next 30 years.

48 posted on 01/21/2016 8:46:19 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

Nope, no religion, only faith in God which is the antipode to fear.

And, as Jeff Goldblum once said, “Life...will find a way...”


49 posted on 01/21/2016 8:49:07 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

Again, you mention fear. I have no idea where you are getting me being afraid?


50 posted on 01/21/2016 12:12:34 PM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
We won't know the outcome till we open the future box Ala Schrodinger's cat.

There's basically two ways to approach the unknown future - with faith or with fear. Your expressions about the unknown seem to go in the direction of fear, negativity, and worst-case scenario rather than faith and a positive outlook.

51 posted on 01/21/2016 12:20:31 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
There's basically two ways to approach the unknown future - with faith or with fear. Your expressions about the unknown seem to go in the direction of fear, negativity, and worst-case scenario rather than faith and a positive outlook.

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Sorry, I have zero idea where you are getting that fear stuff. I am aiming for realistic - which may scare some but not me.

52 posted on 01/21/2016 12:22:04 PM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

How can you be “realistic” about what you don’t know? You have to plug something into that unknown space. Usually we color it with either a pessimistic view of a worst-case scenario or a more positive view and underlying both is either hope, which is confidence expectation of good, and faith, or something more pessimistic which some call “realistic” but in fact is not really more realistic. There’s much to be said that our paradigms actually have a lot to do with shaping the unknowns in our future.


53 posted on 01/21/2016 1:36:02 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
How can you be “realistic” about what you don’t know? You have to plug something into that unknown space.

It is based on things I read which seem to show a logical future's heading. This is a fact - it is happening right now - automation is eliminating jobs and it is now being reported that tests are on the way for automated taxis, bus drivers, airplane pilots. In the future no one will need a driver's license - just purchase a car and it will do it all. In that future we won't even need driving instructors. A reduced DMV even. That is just one example. The other is the food business. Automated fast food preparation.

Think people will be robot repair men or programers? Think again - self programing and self repair robots.

54 posted on 01/21/2016 1:41:17 PM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

Crime will be a growth industry.


55 posted on 01/21/2016 1:42:48 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Trumpinator

That’s where we need to have laws against automation. If not, there will be massive civil disorder in the near future.


56 posted on 01/21/2016 1:46:22 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
That’s where we need to have laws against automation. If not, there will be massive civil disorder in the near future.

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Or laws against making more people.

57 posted on 01/21/2016 1:48:34 PM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator

Again, it’s conjecture - not unlike previous pessimistic views of industrial/automated change.

Your self programming and self repair robots will still need maintenance and will open other peripheral industries. It happens.


58 posted on 01/21/2016 2:06:52 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: MinorityRepublican

Our birth rate is already collapsing. The only modern nation with above replacement birth rate is Israel.


59 posted on 01/21/2016 3:24:02 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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