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Calling BS on the official story of the Iranian capture of two US riverine boats
American Thinker ^ | 1/17/16 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 01/17/2016 5:53:30 AM PST by Nachum

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1 posted on 01/17/2016 5:53:30 AM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 01/17/2016 5:58:39 AM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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Good morning Nachum,

Thank you for all your contributions and work you do for Free Republic.

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3 posted on 01/17/2016 6:03:06 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Nachum
The analysis cited was posted here on Free Republic days ago. It is good to see it working its way outwards.

I'm unconvinced that the boats encountered any significant firepower against them, and if they had their weapons at the ready even at close range in a standoff they had the advantage from what I have seen. After all, if you were standing on a fiberglass boat holding an AK47 how threatening are you really to a guy with a M134 minigun on a larger, possibly armored boat?

In the publicly available photos there does not appear to be any larger, more heavily armed boat in the vicinity, but there is a small portion of the scene not shown or visible in the various videos and photos.

I think it is more likely they were ordered to surrender, or something has gone radically wrong in the military training process.

4 posted on 01/17/2016 6:09:34 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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would the administration that abandoned their men at Benghazi also do this?

would they permit their boat to be taken under screwed up rules of engagement, and then permit them to be paraded in front of the cameras?

would the country that was okay negotiating a nuclear deal with another country that was blowing up a model of its aircraft carrier do this also..?

Of course...!!


5 posted on 01/17/2016 6:10:21 AM PST by gaijin
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Very interesting article by Lifson at AT ping (FReeper Matt Bracken mentioned) ...


6 posted on 01/17/2016 6:13:01 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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Why would you risk your life in the US military NOW..?

they give you screwed up rules of engagement, they abandon you in the field to the enemy, and then they lie their asses off about it.


7 posted on 01/17/2016 6:13:38 AM PST by gaijin
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There were men and/or cargo removed from those boats. It was a simple disguised delivery that went off exactly as planned. And conveniently there wasnt any of those pesky patriotic American CIA ex-Navy SEALs around to jam up the works.


8 posted on 01/17/2016 6:19:10 AM PST by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: freeandfreezing

The Boston Whalers are not radar equipped, and had to be vectored to the US boats. It is very likely they were tracked down and confronted with overwhelming firepower from one of these fast Iranian patrol boats:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BS3UXvOvRms/UphEu4AaXWI/AAAAAAAAJGM/L4ZDYco6rkQ/s576/P226+IRIS+Falakhon+-+Iranian+Navy.jpg

And the BWs were used for stopping and boarding the US boats.


9 posted on 01/17/2016 6:20:27 AM PST by wrench
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To: Nachum

See here for Travis McGee’s take on this mendacious story -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3384777/posts


10 posted on 01/17/2016 6:20:28 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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The administration has. And does.

The deeper intention is to send the message that no one will want to join the military because of the screwed up ROE and the dumbing down/lowering of standards that has been going on since the Kenyan bastard became president.

The media is focusing its feigned outrage on Ted Cruz’s “insulting” New Yorkers instead of our sailors being captured and humiliated by one of our greatest enemies. This is all bread and circuses. And even the conservatives are falling for this crap.


11 posted on 01/17/2016 6:22:52 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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So, the author states that the Bimini topped bass boats had 76mm cannon? I call BS on him - 76mm is 3 inch. He’s telling me there is a 3 inch naval cannon on a bass boat? Bullshit


12 posted on 01/17/2016 6:23:04 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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They do have 3” missile/rocket launchers. A quick image search shows them


13 posted on 01/17/2016 6:25:03 AM PST by wrench
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So, the author states that the Bimini topped bass boats had 76mm cannon? I call BS on him - 76mm is 3 inch. He's telling me there is a 3 inch naval cannon on a bass boat? Bullshit

ok , apologies if I misunderstood, I think he's saying the bass boats weren't the real interceptors. Still, however, the USN vessel was REQUIRED to resist capture and they did not. They folded without a single shot.

I am a former Tin Can sailor and I can tell you that capture of our vessel by the enemy would never have happened without a fight.

14 posted on 01/17/2016 6:34:27 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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To: Nachum; Travis McGee

Do you ping the person this article is quoting.... Matt Bracken?


15 posted on 01/17/2016 6:36:08 AM PST by CAluvdubya (<------- has now left CA for NV, where God and guns have not been outlawed!)
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Look at the photographs themselves. They were not taken from a BW, but from a height mucher greater above the sea than either the BWs or the US boats. The camera was looking down at the captured boat.


16 posted on 01/17/2016 6:53:20 AM PST by wrench
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Don't get sidetracked from the only relevant issue - the USN boats surrendered without a single shot being fired - That. Is. All. That . Matters
17 posted on 01/17/2016 6:56:03 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever)
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100% agree.


18 posted on 01/17/2016 6:58:55 AM PST by wrench
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Couldn't agree more ATC

The US Navy has never surrendered without a fight. These guys had the duty to defend their vessels from being taken and they failed to discharge that duty.

Even the guys on the virtually unarmed USS Pueblo resisted as best they could. One was killed by the NKs in the act of destroying classified equipment. They resisted throughout their captivity. They may have lost the ship but they kept their honor and did not disgrace the nation.

These guys had 50 Cals, miniguns, 240s and small arms and they surrendered to bass boats. You can see the ammunition laid out in the pictures

There needs to be an open Congressional hearing on this and a simultaneous article 32 investigation

Either someone ordered that LT to surrender - I want a name. Or he was out of comms and took it upon himself to do so.

And nobody had better even hand me the "ROE-wouldn't-let-him-fight" and "Code-of-conduct-doesen't apply-because-we-aren't-at-war-with-the-Iranians" arguements I've been reading in some other articles about this disgraceful incident.

No ROE denies the right of self defense. The demand of surrender by the forces of another nation is an inherently hostile act

If you are in the military you are subject to the code of conduct 24-7-365 for the duration of your service.

The greatest Navy in the world is now Iran's bitch. I want an audit trail. Somebody is responsible. And needs to be held accountable.

19 posted on 01/17/2016 7:30:07 AM PST by Qatar-6
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And why would the Iranians, knowing how well armed these boats were, expect to safely stop them armed only with AD47s. Did they know they would be safe or what?

The official story is a fabrication. A lie.


20 posted on 01/17/2016 7:45:05 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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