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The conservative media's civil war over Ted Cruz 'birtherism'
Washington Post ^ | 01/14/2016 | By Callum Borchers

Posted on 01/14/2016 8:19:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: dowcaet
I support Cruz but if he is the nominee this issue won’t go away. If you’re mad at Trump over this just think how much more intensified the Democrats will be on this issue. Every day from the conventions to the election the Dems and the media will do everything they can to plant the seeds of doubt in enough voters about Cruz’s eligibility to be president. With no pushback from the GOP the left will have a field day bashing Cruz. You’ll see Ted morphed into a Mountie or a hockey player by late night comedians and the endless stream of lefty talking heads will “question” his “natural born” status. Get mad at me for saying all this, but we know in our gut this will happen.

Yup. With Obama we were all nuts. With Cruz it will perfectly legitimate to do all those things. In the minds of the public if Cruz is the nominee the only thing most people will know is that he was born in Canada.

41 posted on 01/14/2016 9:32:01 AM PST by DouglasKC (I'm pro-choice when it comes to lion killing....)
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To: Hostage; AuntB

Thank you B. If he won’t listen to a man of letters maybe he will listen to a fellow Texan and a conservative
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/709365

Point is
As Tripe has said
It’s unsettle law
An easy out of court solution is to ask for a
Declarative Judgment.


42 posted on 01/14/2016 9:32:41 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: BigEdLB
Cruz needs to go to court and get this taken care of. That is what Trump is saying too.

That's the part that makes me nervous. Government won't acknowledge traditional marriage of that they have no legitimate authority to force an association on anyone like the did with Obamacare.

Do you seriously think they would stick with the definition that's existed with the founding, or do you think they would suddenly increase the pool for people eligible for the presidency by including an entire NEW group of foreign *natural born* citizens?

43 posted on 01/14/2016 9:33:38 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: dowcaet
Get mad at me for saying all this, but we know in our gut this will happen.

So we're supposed to throw Cruz overboard just because nasty Rats like Grayson will smear and/or sue him?

Talk about profiles in courage...

44 posted on 01/14/2016 9:35:15 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's interesting how Trump would fight this if he was in the same situation as Cruz. I think he would call anyone who brought it up and literally call them stupid and ignorant of law. I think he would repeat this ad nauseam. IF anyone mentioned it he would take them down. He would attack until they shut up about it.

This is essentially what Cruz needs to do to get over this. Attack and attack until nobody dares to bring it up. Of course this might not work for him because it hasn't been his tactic since day one like Trumps.

45 posted on 01/14/2016 9:35:26 AM PST by DouglasKC (I'm pro-choice when it comes to lion killing....)
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To: KGeorge
"How many days has it been? (I honestly don't know) It's pretty obvious that such documentation will not be forthcoming- either because it isn't possible or out of stubbornness."

You mean like his birth certificate?

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/ted-cruz-birth-certificate-095668

46 posted on 01/14/2016 9:35:39 AM PST by mlo
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To: MamaTexan

I don’t know if you’ve seen this article, but it’s loaded with excellent info re the two acts:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/07/06/fourteenth-amendment-empowers-congress-to-end-birthright-citizenship/


47 posted on 01/14/2016 9:36:53 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: DouglasKC

Trumps sister is a close personal friend of Sam Alito. They severed on the appellate bench together ( with identical records) and she spoke on his behalf when nominated to the SCOTUS
What Trump would do is call up big sis or talk to her over the dinner table and ask her advice how to handle the situation !


48 posted on 01/14/2016 9:40:07 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: MamaTexan

Let’s look at the other side of the argument....

Your argument seems to refer to what judges of the past have decided on the matter.

However, as we know from Roe vs Wade and the Dredd Scott decision, Judges can be wrong.

I prefer, not to look at subsequent court decisions, which can be overturned, but the ORIGINAL INTENT of the fundamental law of our land.

Cruz — full name: Rafael Edward Cruz — was born in Calgary, Canada, in 1970. His family was living there because his father was working for the oil industry at the time. They moved when he was four. Cruz grew up in Texas and graduated from high school there, later attending Princeton University and Harvard Law School.

In 2013, the first-term senator — already considered a prospective presidential candidate — released his birth certificate, which shows his mother was born in Delaware and his father was born in Cuba. (A situation similar to Obama, whose mother was born in Kansas and father was African.)

Most legal scholars maintain that Cruz is in the clear despite his Canadian birthplace.

But is the issue 100 percent settled? Not exactly.

Three constitutional provisions are obvious:

1) The candidate must be 35 years of age and

2) a resident of the United States for 14 years.

3) The third qualification: He or she must be a “natural born citizen.”

What does it mean to be a “natural born citizen”?

Most legal experts contend it means someone is a citizen from birth and doesn’t have to go through a naturalization process to become a citizen.

If that’s the definition, then Cruz is a natural born citizen by being born to an American mother and having her citizenship at birth. The Congressional Research Service, the agency tasked with providing authoritative research to all members of Congress, published a report after the 2008 election supporting the thinking that “natural born” citizenship means citizenship held “at birth.”

There are many legal and historical precedents to strongly back up this argument, experts have said.

Those precedents were the subject of a recent op-ed in the Harvard Law Review by two former solicitor generals of opposing parties, Neal Katyal and Paul Clement, who worked for Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, respectively. They wrote that “natural born” had a longstanding definition dating back to colonial times.

British common law recognized that children born outside of the British Empire remained subjects, and were described by law as “natural born,” Katyal and Clement wrote.

“The framers, of course, would have been intimately familiar with these statutes and the way they used terms like ‘natural born,’ since the (British) statutes were binding law in the colonies before the Revolutionary War,’” they said.

Additionally, the first Congress of the United States passed the Naturalization Act of 1790, just three years after the Constitution was written, which stated that children born abroad to U.S. citizens were, too, natural born citizens. Many members of the inaugural Congress were also authors of the Constitution.


49 posted on 01/14/2016 9:40:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: WENDLE
"'Natural born' was a special qualifier to 'citizen' as apposed to 'foreign born'"

"Natural born" distinguishes from "Naturalized". There is no third category.

50 posted on 01/14/2016 9:42:29 AM PST by mlo
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To: Dana1960; hoosiermama

“Sen Cruz indeed should seek a declarative judgment...and soon. “

The conclusion after all this must be that Cruz has NO documentation to prove he is a US Citizen.
What is it? WHERE is it?

Aren’t we all required to have that in one form or another? What did he use when he attended school? I had to produce my birth certificate.


51 posted on 01/14/2016 9:51:56 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Hostage; hoosiermama

Hopefully we will have this cleared up soon.

A message from Mr. Williams:

Sworn statement and affidavit being released shortly

Freedom is not for the weak of mind or spirit.


52 posted on 01/14/2016 9:54:24 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Or he and others are working together to get a judgment that would also apply to O. Hmmm could be interesting!


53 posted on 01/14/2016 9:56:11 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: AuntB

From your trash link:

“In a campaign interview during his freshman senate race, a GOP Texas State Committee member sat down with the young candidate to ask a few poignant vetting questions, and here are the questions and answers from that interview… (Redacted information is to protect the witness at this moment, but the witness is willing to offer sworn testimony)”

You know what that’s called? It’s called BULLSHIT!

Plenty of lairs in the press have exalted themselves with their number of liar reports. They are still liars.


54 posted on 01/14/2016 9:59:05 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: AuntB

Ping me if you see notifications of either


55 posted on 01/14/2016 9:59:07 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: Hostage

I gave you the author’s email...you tell him it’s BS, I didn’t write it. Has Cruz objected?


56 posted on 01/14/2016 10:00:33 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: DouglasKC
Sadly, there is no way that Ted Cruz can continue running in the Republican Primary unless he can erase doubt on eligibility. Dems will sue!

Where were the Republicans when Obama presented that forged POS the media waved as his 'birth certificate'? Bending over pages in the cloakroom?

57 posted on 01/14/2016 10:02:46 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: hoosiermama

If you follwed my posting history you would kow that I agree with Tom Delay 100%. And this is what Trump is saying. The democrats are going to press this to the courts with all they got if Cruz is the nominee.

Ted should immediately file for declaratory relief and motion to expedite given the enormous consequences.

Screw Tribe, he should be strung up and flogged on the Mall.


58 posted on 01/14/2016 10:03:07 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: AuntB; Dana1960; hoosiermama

TED CRUZ's BIRTH CERTIFICATE

TED CRUZ MOTHER's BIRTH CERTIFICATE



BY LAW, if one of your parents is a US Citizen at the time of your birth, so are you.

Otherwise, Obama would not have been eligible for President.
59 posted on 01/14/2016 10:04:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: AuntB

No you write him and get the facts. He said in that BS peice that he won’t reveal who gave it to him. It’s complete BS written to hit Cruz in March 2015. And you followed right along with it. Shame on you. You should know better.


60 posted on 01/14/2016 10:04:52 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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