Posted on 01/14/2016 8:19:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind
That will fuel another round of emotion-fueled debate.
If Cruz is the nominee, the DEMs will sue on the issue.
Because if Coulter dropped the issue, no Dem would dare to raise it if Cruz were the nominee?
Mark Levin explained this very well. If your mother is a citizen AND has lived in the United States for any 10 years AND at least five of those were over the age of 14, you’re a natural-born citizen.
Andrew Napolitano has made the same case.
This is a phony issue and the Establishment types are pumping it because they know they can’t win on issues.
The Democrats will try to disqualify Cruz — as Hillary’s people tried to have 0bama disqualified — but as with 0bama, it will go nowhere.
Frankly, Alan Grayson belongs in a mental institution. Are you sure you want to take his side?
I believe so also. It is not helpful that he waited until 2014 to renounce his Canadian citizenship.
No she could’ve renounced her citizenship before he was born, or maybe just failed to register his birth in the US.
RE: The good arguments have all been presented, I think. You reject them all for various reasons.
I’ve never rejected any of them. My argument has been that there are GOOD ARGUMENTS present by both sides.
At the time our constitution was adopted natural born citizen meant both soil and father blood. A wife derived her citizenship from her husband and her child also derived its’ citizenship from the father. So born on soil to a woman married a citizen father would make someone a natural born citizen.
A logical conclusion would be that these two acts were passed in order to create a time frame to denote the Constitutional 'adoption' window.
That explanation is totally spurious . I can demonstrate that by pointing out that that contorted wishful thinking is simply not in the constitution.
The Constitution used terms of the day . “Natural born” was a special qualifier to “citizen” as apposed to “ foreign born” . It is really simple. It needs resolution before the Democrats pick the Court and the time. They will obtain an injunction and the Court will order that obama stay in office until it is resolved. want that?
> “Ted would have to sue himself!”
That piece of crap you pulled is hearsay and is dated March 29, 2015 by a nobody writer with no credibility.
Ted can name parties to the suit that have stated in the press that he is ineligible and he could use in his defense the fact that he has qualified for the ballot on multiple primary states.
He needs to do this immediately as the democrats are going to launch a no holds barred barrage of accusations and lawsuits against his alleged ineligibility.
I have done the research. Ted is 100% eligible.
Still, the arguments have all been made, ad infinitum. My suggestion for finding the arguments is to read the constitution, what it says about citizenship is just a few sentences, and Rogers v. Bellei, chosen because Bellie and Cruz circumstances of birth and statutory citizenship are approximately "identical".
Most of the arguments, including the one Cruz offers, are nothing but rhetorical games.
Cruz is a naturalized citizen, naturalized via 1934 legislation which allows a child to gain citizenship thru its' mother. Prior to that legislation Cruz would not even be a citizen of the USA! A real NBC needs no legislation to be considered a citizen. A real NBC is a citizen naturally by just the facts of its' birth on soil to citizen parents.
It's almost like they have a gentleman's agreement whereby they convince conservatives to take the moral high ground against other conservative and lose to the democrats. Maybe that's how they keep their seat at the beltway cocktail parties.
Dred Scott a pragon of wisdom about what the Founders meant./sarc
Utter nonsense.
Everyone has known, forever and ever, that you had to be born on American soil. Believe it or not, if you went to school anytime before 1990 or so, it was actually taught ....wait for it....in the classroom, as part of civics.
I’d like to remind everyone, that this was the crux of the Obama controversy: not his mom (who was too young to convey citizenship, not everyone even looked at that) but WAS he born in the US or not. It was that solitary fact, and no other, that consumed people into finding the elusive birth certificate. No one worried that they would find some foreign national that was his mom...it was WHERE he was born.
Sen Cruz indeed should seek a declarative judgment...and soon. Because if you don’t think that a desperate Hillary Clinton, perhaps facing indictment, won’t take his ass into every court in the country over this, then you are nuts. She was the original Obama “birther.”
How cool would it be to lose the presidential election to someone under indictment, because your candidate wasn’t ineligible, sports fans?
I am a Trump supporter. I agree with Levin and Napolitano. Cruz is NBS by their logic. Cruz needs to go to court and get this taken care of. That is what Trump is saying too.
“That piece of crap you pulled is hearsay and is dated March 29, 2015 by a nobody writer with no credibility.”
Here, you tell him what you think.
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[snip] Dec. 15, 2015 On the basis of all available evidence today, Ted Cruz is in fact holding a seat in the U.S. Senate illegally, with no documented proof of legal U.S. citizenship whatsoever, and proof of Canadian citizenship between the years of birth in 1970 and May 2014.
It is unfortunate that a person so many have placed their political faith in has proven willing to defraud his supporters for both votes and millions in campaign donations. But it is better we know now, than after he wins the GOP nomination only to be destroyed by Democrats later, using the same facts and evidence presented here.
What will the people do with this knowledge? Are they really motivated by restoration of Constitutional compliance, or mere political expediency?
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http://www.newswithviews.com/JBWilliams/williams317.htm
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Anyway - with that Constitutional adoption window closed, typically people born abroad to citizens were considered citizens, but they were naturalized ones.
North Noonday Mining Co vs Orient Mining Co found in The Federal Reporter, page 527, Copyright 1880.
All persons born or naturalized In the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. A person born in a foreign country out of the Jurisdiction of the United States whose father is not a citizen of the United States can only become a citizen by naturalization.
Wong Kim Ark, 1898
A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized, either by treaty, as in the case of the annexation of foreign territory, or by authority of congress, exercised either by declaring certain classes of persons to be citizens, as in the enactments conferring citizenship upon foreign-born children of citizens,..
Citizenship of the United States, Expatriation, and Protection Abroad, By United States. Dept. of State, Page 141, 1906
A person born in a foreign country, out of the jurisdiction of the United States, whose father is not a citizen of the United States, can only become a citizen by naturalization. The foreign born son becomes a citizen by being himself naturalized, or by the naturalization of the father during the minority of the son.
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You at least appear to understand both sides of the argument. Wish I could say the same for others.
According to Cruz, the State of Texas was teaching me *swamp theories* during high school government class. LOL!
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