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Supreme Court Seems Poised to Deal Unions a Major Setback
New York Times ^ | January 11, 2016 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 01/11/2016 11:24:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court seemed poised on Monday to deliver a severe blow to organized labor.

The justices appeared divided along familiar lines during an extended argument over whether government workers who choose not to join unions may nonetheless be required to help pay for collective bargaining. The court's conservative majority appeared ready to say that such compelled financial support violates the First Amendment

Collective bargaining, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy said, is inherently political when the government is the employer, and issues like merit pay, promotions and classroom size are subject to negotiation.

The best hope for a victory for the unions had rested with Justice Antonin Scalia, who has written and said things sympathetic to their position. But he was consistently hostile on Monday.

"The problem is that everything that is bargained for with the government is within the political sphere," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 01/11/2016 11:24:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d like to believe they will vote against unions.

Then again, I was lead to believe they’d vote against fag marriage and against obamacare.


2 posted on 01/11/2016 11:28:30 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Same here, I think they’re sandbaggin’ us.


3 posted on 01/11/2016 11:31:17 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Now we may see some actual non-fake tears from the lyin’ king.


4 posted on 01/11/2016 11:31:18 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Nervous Tick

Has the Fraud been too busy partying over dead Americans to make a phone call to his BFF shady adoption Chief “Justice” Roberts to have this go the way the leftists’ god-king wants?


5 posted on 01/11/2016 11:31:46 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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6 posted on 01/11/2016 11:32:16 AM PST by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: Nervous Tick; All

More at The Hill:

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/265423-conservative-justices-cast-doubt-on-mandatory-union-fees

Conservative justices on the Supreme Court on Monday appeared deeply skeptical of requiring public employees to pay union dues as a condition of their employment.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, who could be the critical swing vote in the case, cast doubt on a law in California that requires public sector workers to opt out of paying union fees for collective bargaining.

Unions say such laws are necessary to avoid a “free rider” problem where non-members benefit from deals that are negotiated on their behalf.

But Kennedy said that under that logic, there would be nothing to stop California from requiring every state employee to donate 1 percent of his or her salary to the governor’s election campaign.

“No one thinks, realistically, that’s a voluntary decision to give money,” he said. “There’s only one purpose behind that kind of requirement, which is to inflate the governor’s political war chest, just like the only purpose behind this is to, through inadvertence and neglect, inflate the union’s war chest by people who really have not made a voluntary decision to do so.”

The lawsuit - which was filed by 10 teachers in California, including Rebecca Friedrichs, and the Center for Individual Rights - poses a major threat the political power of labor unions, which have long been allies of Democrats.

Union membership is heavily concentrated in the public sector, giving the labor movement a crucial stronghold of support.

Should the high court rule against fee requirements, the financial power of unions could rapidly erode.

The plaintiffs in the case specifically argue that that requiring every public school teacher in California to annually renew, in writing, his or her objection to subsidizing the unions’ political agenda violates their First Amendment rights.

“As to requiring people to give money to which they don’t wish to give, Thomas Jefferson said that was sinful and tyrannical, James Madison famously said, requiring three pence is the thing,” said Friedrich’s attorney Michael Carvin. “So it’s not at all something that we’ve invented.”

Chief Justice Roberts appeared to agree with Carvin, who argued that the court should at least require unions to have their employees affirmatively consent to union fees instead of requiring them affirmatively opt out of them.

Though David Frederick, the attorney representing the other unions in the case, argued it’s easy for a person to check a box opting out of union fees, Roberts said, “it’s also easier for a person to check a box to say they opt-in.”

The problem before the court, Roberts said, is whether individuals can be compelled to support political views that they disagree with.

Though unions have argued they will lose membership if employees are forced to opt-in rather than out, Kennedy said the unions should be able to convince employees to join their union.

Liberals on the court, meanwhile, appeared to have qualms about overruling a 1977 decision known as Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, which had upheld requiring non-union members to pay fees for collective bargaining activities.

Justice Elena Kagan told Carvin that he carries a heavy burden in asking the court to overrule Abood.

“What special justification are you offering here?” she asked.

Carvin responded that Abood should be overruled because it’s erroneous, drawing a sharp response from liberal Justice Stephen Breyer.

“I can’t find a basic principle that’s there that’s erroneous as in these major cases that we have overruled,” he said.

Though the California Teachers Association has argued that it could not survive without these union fees from non-members, the union’s attorney California Solicitor General Edward Dumont acknowledged during oral arguments that he could not prove that to be the case because there was no fact-finding to that effect.

“So there’s a presumption in the question posed which is that it can survive, but we don’t know that factually?” Justice Sonia Sotomayor, a member of the court’s liberal wing, asked Dumont.

Dumont said the state would prefer not to take the risk.

But Justice Antonin Scalia said it’s the job of the opponents to show that they need the non-member fees to survive.

“You’re the one that’s saying we need to do this because otherwise it won’t survive,” Scalia said. “It seems to me the burden is on you to say why that’s so.”

In a statement following the 80-minute arguments Monday, The National Consumers League said the case was “handpicked by special, powerful anti-worker interests” who want the court to overrule the longstanding precedent of Abood.

“The National Consumers League believes that Abood is based on the constitutional principle that those covered by a union contract should be required to pay their share of fees,” the organization said. “When employees elect a union to represent them, everyone who benefits from a negotiated contract should contribute to the costs of securing that contract, even those who might not agree with every union position.”

The Small Business Legal Center, however, disagreed.

“The First Amendment protects freedom of association,” the center’s Executive Director Karen Harned said in a statement.

“Forcing an employee to associate with a union and surrender part of her income to support its political activities is a clear violation of that constitutional protection.”


7 posted on 01/11/2016 11:33:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Nervous Tick
Poised to Deal Unions a Major Setback = Poised to Rule the First Amendment means what it says.

That seems to work fine when the central issue is burning American flags or peddling pornography. Not so well when the issue is being forced to financially support leftwing hyperpartisan politics.

8 posted on 01/11/2016 11:37:17 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Crazieman

Now that’s funny I don’t care who you are.


9 posted on 01/11/2016 11:39:27 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Communities are getting clobbered with unions and the big fat, unwarranted, government pensions and benefits.


10 posted on 01/11/2016 11:43:09 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Public sector unions should be illegal.

This is the government negotiating with the government to fleece the taxpayers.


11 posted on 01/11/2016 11:46:57 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Will believe it when it actually happens,


12 posted on 01/11/2016 11:47:47 AM PST by mulligan (I)
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s a HUGE problem.

Those chickens have come home to roost.


13 posted on 01/11/2016 11:50:06 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When they go to the bargaining table, the teachers are represented by the unions and the DemocRats basically represent themselves because the unions spend the members’ money to get them elected. The only ones at the bargaining table not represented are the people paying the taxes.

What is wrong with this picture?


14 posted on 01/11/2016 12:01:54 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

With Roberts on court, not counting on any win for the good guys. Will believe it when I see it.


15 posted on 01/11/2016 12:02:51 PM PST by rainee (Her)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
...is based on the constitutional principle that those covered by a union contract should be required to pay their share of fees,

Dang it, my copy of the Constitution is completely out of date. I can't find that principle anywhere in my copy.

16 posted on 01/11/2016 12:03:05 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the public employees want a union, fine. Just make it so they have to negotiate with the people who REALLY pay for their wages and benefits - the taxpayers. Put their contracts on the ballot and let’s see how the voters feel about it.

When I was working we had to negotiate with the company who paid us.


17 posted on 01/11/2016 12:16:48 PM PST by beelzepug (2 Timothy 2:23 Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments...")
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To: BuckeyeTexan

SCOTUS.


18 posted on 01/11/2016 12:26:03 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: MortMan
Public sector unions should be illegal.

This is the government negotiating with the government to fleece the taxpayers.

Exactly, and they always should have been illegal since 1789.

19 posted on 01/11/2016 12:26:12 PM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: MortMan
Public sector unions should be illegal.

Amen!

20 posted on 01/11/2016 12:29:51 PM PST by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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