Posted on 01/07/2016 11:20:55 AM PST by Kaslin
What I find strange is that the seal on his alleged Canadian birth certificate was not embossed.
And by the way both my son and my daughter were born in Germany in an American Hospital. Both received a birth certificate from the city where the hospital was located. They also received a United States Birth Certificate from the American Consulate in Munich Germany after my husband registered their birth when they were 6 weeks old . Both were born in the same hospital, but 7 years apart
It is. It just doesn't show up well on copies and images, since it's all one color.
IF (and it's a big if) she became a Canadian Citizen, then would she still be a US citizen ?
I have investigated both sides of the issue, and the facts settle on the side of Cruz being a US Citizen. He even got a US Passport (because his mother registered him at the US Consulate) to take a high school trip to England.
Some say he was a US Citizen while living in Canada. Some say he was a dual citizen. Some say dual citizenship is not allowed. Some say it is.
Those are the kind of things I am trying to get settled. That is why I am playing the devil's advocate.
According to the US Supreme Court, someone born in America doesn’t need ANY US citizen parents to be a natural born citizen. See their lengthy discussion in Wong Kim Ark on the meaning of NBC.
Outside the US, born to a US citizen...depends. Many would say that since English common law acknowledged children born to UK citizens abroad as NB subjects (since about 1300, or at a minimum since the 1600s), that would fall under the Founder’s intent.
Since the only rational seems to have been to prevent foreigners from coming to the US and becoming President, and since the term “natural born subject” had included those born abroad for many, many years prior to the Revolution, I’m not worried.
To be honest, I find it incredible that anyone could look at Hillary Clinton without concluding that NBC is one damn stupid requirement - but one that Ted Cruz meets.
“He even got a US Passport (because his mother registered him at the US Consulate) to take a high school trip to England.”
Americans generally need a passport to travel abroad. My daughter - born in New Mexico to 2 citizen parents - got one before traveling to the UK a couple of years ago.
His citizenship is, I think, without dispute. For the Supreme Court to rule him not a “natural born” citizen would require them to reject the reasoning used in 20-30 opinions, solely to keep him out of the Presidency. Were that to happen, I’d advocate armed rebellion.
That's the only thing in your last two posts that I would disagree with.
It is in dispute, however, it shouldn't be. As far as keeping him out of the Presidency , the point is not to bring it to a court battle, but just to bring it up prior to the election so that the mostly uninformed public will decide not to vote for him.
That's why I was fighting everyone here on it. It is one thing to 'think' something Is true, it is another to have something backing it up.
Thanks for helping provide some of that 'backup'.
“Ted Cruz is a statutory citizen-at-birth. He is not a citizen under the 14th Amendment. ... “
Sounds like that’s good insight into the vagueness. Thanks!
Dual citizenship may pose problem if Ted Cruz seeks presidency
Normally I would say that the SC ruling against Cruz and those court opinions would never happen. But one cannot be so sure these days.
I don't understand what you mean by 'all one color'.
“But one cannot be so sure these days.”
We live in scary times, no doubt. If I trusted Trump, I’d be happy to vote for him. As it is...if he wins the nomination, he’ll get my vote in the general!
This is larger, I can see some embossing on the seal
“Really? Are you sure it isn’t your comprehension skills?”
Yes, it’s comprehension skills. In my haste I didn’t see the word “mother”.
But you are sneaky which is worse that a mere failure to comprehend. You say he enters the US ... and marries. You don’t tell us whether or not his wife is an American citizen.
Was she an American citizen?
I like that other answer I got: “Ted Cruz is a statutory citizen-at-birth. He is not a citizen under the 14th Amendment. ... “
How about commenting on that.
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Obama was born out of country to a minor girl.
Minors do not automatically confer citizenship on their children.
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All of your explanations are made out of pure Donkey excrement.
The confering of citizenship by an adult parent pre-dates the Declaration of Independence.
There is no statutory element to Cruz’ citizenship.
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>> “because most of the time
Trump is winging it.” <<
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Or Wanging it!
The seal at the bottom is pinkish, but if you look closely you can see small differences in shading indicating some shape in the middle and letters at the bottom of the pinkish seal. Some areas are higher and others are lower. If you could hold the original in your hand you might be able to make out what’s on that seal and what the writing says, but from the image I can’t.
...”the nonsense on whether or not Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen. It’s stunning.”....(Rush)
Well it’s so vividly obvious Trumps squirming and his political move as Cruz continues to take the lead in Iowa, and his campaign is right on the mark....Of course it’s not an issue legally otherwise Cruz certainly wouldn’t have run....like he needs anyone to tell him the legalities of! Ha!...however perception does come into play as well as if or not the media wants to run it or not.
Trumps got to play all kinds of hands in his run now because he’s finally realizing he might loose this. I see his family members are out their now doing their bit to shore him up and keep the defectors from leaving the Trump ranch.
Meanwhile.....DAY 3....CRUZ CAUCUS TOUR Short and powerful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n25m3ZFzfGY
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