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Obamacare options contracting and getting more expensive
Arizona Daily Sun ^ | December 27, 2015 | SUZANNE ADAMS-OCKRASSA

Posted on 12/27/2015 11:59:42 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I take that your stance on a subject matter doesn’t change as you learn more about it. Again, stop being narrow-minded.


41 posted on 12/28/2015 3:50:54 AM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: PJBankard

I see, when you have no answer, I’m “narrow minded.”


42 posted on 12/28/2015 4:12:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

TRUMP: As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It could have worked in a different age. What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands of employees. And if I’m negotiating in BY or NJ or CA, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid. You know why? Because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians. They’re making a fortune. Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system.”...

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there is so much truth in this it isn’t even funny

Insurance companies and healthcare conglomerates in this state buddy up and pass crony laws that prevent insurance computation and prices are skyrocketed in what is essentially closed markets, been this way for 20 years.


43 posted on 12/28/2015 4:34:11 AM PST by Chickensoup (Christ is coming to us tonight. We are less alone tonight than any other night of the year)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Tag line, sorry.


44 posted on 12/28/2015 5:07:24 AM PST by BobL (Who cares? He's going to build a wall and stop this invasion.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We are all well aware that Trump has previously supported the idea of Universal Healthcare. I inferred that in my original post. Responding to your planted question so I would agree with you is asinine. As well, your question only proves that you are narrow minded. You only see to attack Trump regardless of what is provided to you.


45 posted on 12/28/2015 5:10:01 AM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I remember him saying recently he would open the doors to purchasing from any carrier and any plan in the U.S. He sounded frustrated that he couldn’t buy from any carrier he found aceptable.

When I was younger I set up a residence at a friend’s place out of state so I could purchase catastrophic insurance, because my state didn’t allow it, because it was all I needed. Young people do not need full coverage 99% of the time and should be able to buy such a plan.


46 posted on 12/28/2015 5:12:32 AM PST by phs3 (FUBO)
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To: Theo

Theo many of the things you listed are not “needs” and yes everyone needs food and housing, why do you think that for those who can’t acquire them on their own we have public assistance, pantries and section 8? People can always find something to eat, even if they go a few days without food they won’t die. But if you are very ill and don’t have the money to get treatment you very well could. And we don’t want diseases to spread either...would be nice if we could go back to the days of the family doc doing house calls and charging reasonable fees then again we’re so advanced now and that’s a good thing as far as saving lives but it costs a hell of a lot to do so, therefor insurance is a requirement.


47 posted on 12/28/2015 5:14:11 AM PST by kelly4c
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
And everyone needs healthcare. Every single person.

You haven't thought it through. As a Catholic, I know that healthcare is not a 'right', because not all people are born with equal physical health. Even though all humans are born with equal dignity and worth, they differ widely in physical health and ability at birth and throughout life. Further, we can see from scripture that healthcare is an opportunity for charity. As long as the government is calling the shots, our healthcare system will be a disaster.
48 posted on 12/28/2015 5:20:15 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: Cyman

how do you distinguish between a Paki owned inn and an Indian owned Inn?

are you confusing the two?


49 posted on 12/28/2015 5:23:22 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

HE sounds like a communist.


50 posted on 12/28/2015 5:42:46 AM PST by piasa
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To: Montana_Sam

So then, get government out of healthcare.

But get them completely, totally out of healthcare.

Out of regulating, out of monitoring, out of healthcare. Completely. Give it back to the public.

That means, open up schools, allow all healthcare, allow competition. No government at all.

I’m all for that. But we need to get government out of it completely.

Somehow I don’t think anyone is proposing that.

I am. Or else we need government, to keep it fair. One or the other.


51 posted on 12/28/2015 5:53:48 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance./c5700.html)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is nothing good about Obamacare. Nothing! It is a total nightmare and does anything but provide healthcare. Take it from one who has first hand experience with this pos.


52 posted on 12/28/2015 6:10:14 AM PST by GilGil
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To: GilGil

I do not agree completely.

Obamacare made sure people, were not dropped from coverage.

At a time when coverage was rapidly, becoming ever more subject to economic problems (we keep sending ever more jobs to other countries, for crying out loud) insurers kept excluding people from coverage for ever more.

Obamacare says insurers need to cover anyone. 100%. Everyone.

I completely agree. That is a valuable change to our healthcare coverage, and we need to keep that.

It is important.


53 posted on 12/28/2015 6:17:35 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance./c5700.html)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This is no longer insurance. Forcing insurance companies to cover everyone ensures costs go through the roof and make healthcare unusable. I do not know what planet you live on but my health insurance went from about $5,000 per year to $18,000 per year and I am totally healthy.

I have dropped out and prefer to pay the penalty and get far superior healthcare from Mexico. There are clinics of American doctors right across the border that are so far above anything you can get here that it is disgraceful.

I actually get 90 minutes of consultation with my internist where we talk about what is going on with me. I also get a cardiologist and a urologist and MRI an ultrasound and a 300 value blood test for $2500.

If I wanted that level of healthcare here I’d have to spend over $20,000 because the insurance would not pay for it.

Obamacare is total crap and designed to be run like the VA where people are conveniently sidelined and killed off.


54 posted on 12/28/2015 6:27:56 AM PST by GilGil
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To: GilGil

America’s healthcare system is completely out of control.

We need to end it, or fix it.

One or the other. Either we fix it, and make it affordable for everyone.

Or else we need to get the government completely out of it.

I’m really not concerned with which choice is taken, I’m aok with the government ensuring everyone is covered.

Or I’m fine with government getting completely out of it, and opening the entire system up to complete competition. And I mean getting out completely.

That means we stop the government from doing anything about healthcare. Get it completely out of the entire business. Out of requiring who can practice what. Out of deciding what students must study for what licences. Completely out of the entire business.

Either one.


55 posted on 12/28/2015 6:36:27 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance./c5700.html)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

In the meantime the government is culling the herd and killing people off.

I know this lady who is now DEAD because they took her healthcare away and forced her on Obamacare and her oncologist docs were not covered and she could not get the treatments she needed. She is now DEAD, DEAD, DEAD.

This is not the exception. It is the RULE!

Obamacare is being run like the VA. Just get people killed off and that is how you reduce costs. That is UNIVERSAL everybody is covered healthcare. Get real and wake up!


56 posted on 12/28/2015 6:43:27 AM PST by GilGil
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
[T]hen, get government out of healthcare.

Hear! Hear!
57 posted on 12/28/2015 7:18:00 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: GilGil

“In the meantime the government is culling the herd and killing people off...”

Yep! We will quickly become England.

“Socialized Medicine Director Dies After Waiting Nine Months for Operation”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/6037-socialized-medicine-director-dies-after-waiting-nine-months-for-operation

(snip) “...Case in point: Walter Williams reported on the story of ‘Mr. D,’ a Swedish multiple sclerosis sufferer who was prescribed a new drug that held the promise of mitigating his symptoms. Well, you guessed it, the government refused to pay for it because it was too expensive — 33 percent more than the old medication. But then there’s something you wouldn’t guess.

The state didn’t even allow him to pay for it himself.

Why? They claimed it would set a bad precedent and violate the principle of equal access to medicine for all. But here is that principle, properly translated: If you can’t save everyone, it’s better to let everyone die than save some....’


58 posted on 12/28/2015 7:42:39 AM PST by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

13 more months. Do not pay fine. adjust your W-4 so that you pay or recieve about 100 dollars. Feds can only withold refund money.


59 posted on 12/28/2015 8:35:20 AM PST by CPT Clay (Hillary: Julius and Ethal Rosenberg were electrocuted for selling classified info.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ObamaCare= legalized extortion.


60 posted on 12/28/2015 8:53:46 AM PST by headstamp 2
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