How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process [The Bloody obvious stated in gun grabber plan]

12/24/2015 | Vanity of sorts

[MacNaughton]

An excellent, well thought-out summary of how to further oppress firearm owners. Two more major points for emphasis:

(1) Total registration/inspection/registration is not necessary for success. Selective showcase prosecutions will weaken the resolve of the non-compliant.

(2) Throw the IRS into the mix. They have become the enforcers of ObamaCare and recently added the authority to cancel U.S. passports of delinquent tax payers. All Uncle Sugar has to do is have the IRS threaten to freeze/seize your assets. Presto - compliance!

All this talk of sending LEO agents to your front door for inspections/confiscations is mental masturbation.

As has been well established in this post, mandatory registration is the 1st step. I need help on 2 questions.

1. Is the FBI or BATFE making a database of BATE Forms 4473s? I was under the impression that active FFL dealers kept the forms on their premises and only surrendered them when they surrendered their FFLs.

2. Is the FBI keeping a database of all of the searches done in its NICBC system of new firearm customers? I was under the impression that the FBI had to destroy these searches after a few days.

[Torcert]

You’re welcome - just doing my part to spreading the word.

[Torcert]

Plus they have the advantage of hindsight - they know the scams that have been perpetrated before.

[chulaivn66]

I may as well provide the entire quote for context and analysis of the problem which stems from the conflict between two types of people in this world. Those who understand the natural rights possessed inherently by all and recognize the limits those rights impose upon them to interfere with the activities of others and those who do not. The first quote logically leads to the second which follows it. One whose thoughts are irrational in this regard will be laying their lives on the proverbial line. Anyone possessing the power of reason will arrive at the conclusions expressed in those quotes of Heinlein. Some, unfortunately, must read quotes of statements made by others who have performed rational analyses of events and stated opinions while again, unfortunately, others will remain irrational and suffer mightily before reaching those conclusions, if not perish from the inability to reach them, as a result. Lastly I offer a third Heinlein quote for consideration by all who read this.

“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, - not anything - you can’t conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.”

-Robert A. Heinlein, If This Goes On, Revolt in 2100

This is a quote from one of a collection of stories from Heinlein’s Future History. The plot of this offering involves a revolt against a theocratic American government founded upon Christian Protestant fundamentalism.

“An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.”
-Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

“Happiness lies in being privileged to work hard for long hours in doing whatever you think is worth doing. One man may find happiness in supporting a wife and children. Another may find it in robbing banks. Still another may labor mightily for years in pursuing pure research with no discernible result. Note the individual and subjective nature of each case. No two are alike and there is no reason to expect them to be. Each man or woman must find for himself or herself that occupation in which hard work and long hours make him or her happy. Contrariwise, if you are looking for shorter hours and longer vacations and early retirement, you are in the wrong job. Perhaps you need to take up bank robbing. Or geeking in a sideshow. Or even politics.”
-Robert A. Heinlein

[ctdonath2]

They’re not liberals, they’re Bolsheviks who pushed the liberal mantra until their intolerable views became tolerable enough to persuade a majority to acquiesce to democratic centralism. “Liberal” was just a ruse to achieve power.

[Iron Munro]

I think it was Randy Weaver ...

"Ruby Ridge was the site of a deadly confrontation and siege in northern Idaho in 1992 between Randy Weaver, his family, and his friend Kevin Harris and agents of the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The events resulted in the death of Weaver's son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan."

"In the firefight, Deputy Marshal Roderick shot and killed Weaver's dog and Samuel Weaver returned fire at Roderick. After the Federal agents began firing, 14-year-old Samuel Weaver was killed by a shot to the back while retreating, and Deputy Marshal Degan was shot and killed by Harris. The bullet that killed Sammy was shot by Larry Cooper."

"Before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi, from a position over 200 yards north and above the Weaver cabin, shot and wounded Randy Weaver in the back with the bullet exiting his right armpit, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit the body of his dead son. (The sniper testified at the later trial that he had put his crosshairs on Weaver's spine, but Weaver moved at the last second.) Then, as Weaver, his 16-year-old daughter Sara, and Harris ran back toward the house, Horiuchi fired a second bullet, killing Vicki Weaver, and wounded Harris in the chest. Vicki Weaver was standing behind the door through which Harris was entering the house, holding their 10-month-old baby Elisheba in her arms."

[sergeantdave]

“All Uncle Sugar has to do is have the IRS threaten to freeze/seize your assets. Presto - compliance!”

Uh, no. People are quite capable of setting up alternative economic systems. Here’s one example:

Irish Banking Strike of the 1970’s

http://p2pfoundation.net/Irish_Banking_Strike_of_the_1970’s

[ctdonath2]

1. Yes. They’re not supposed to, but when armed bureaucrats show up demanding to inspect your records on some strained premise, and start copying all the papers they can while threatening you with incarceration if you interfere, you tend to let them.

2. Probably, in the form of backups: officially deleted, but discoverable subsequent to a convenient law change.

I deal with it by being unquestionably registered. I know they know, and am not queasy about them knowing what I have - a bureaucratic version of open carry.

[MacNaughton]

I see your point about alternative financial systems. Interesting example. No doubt when the "big 1" finally collapse the U.S. economy, we will see a lot of scrambling and creative trading goin on.

What do you do if matters deteriorate to the point where the IRS threatens to seize your home for non-compliance?

[discostu]

So their step one is something that won’t happen and step two is something has a long history across multiple countries with multiple products of not working. And thus shows why it will never happen.

[5th MEB]

Lawyer/politician; same damn thing.
Kill’em all and the world will be a much better place.

[PLMerite]

“The problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns sold in this country.”

Grabbers don’t need to worry about handguns as much as they do rifles.

[Torcert]

It won’t happen because gun owners and supporters of liberty know of their ultimate goal - Confiscation.

[sergeantdave]

“What do you do if matters deteriorate to the point where the IRS threatens to seize your home for non-compliance?”

Excellent question. People need to follow our founders’ example and organize Committees of Safety. They left a blueprint for us to defeat tyranny. For example, John Rutledge, head of the Committee of Safety in South Carolina, ran the British-appointed governor out of office via the point of a bayonet in 1776.

In our case, people need to get ready for hostilities. That begins by electing pro-2nd amendment, Constitutional sheriffs (Committees of Safety) in their counties. That way, if the federal fascists dare to show up - in unfamiliar and hostile territories - they’ll be out-manned and out-gunned.

What I’m saying is this: Get organized now and follow our founders’ blueprint. It worked then and will work now.

[Last Dakotan]

[IronJack]

Okay. Randy Weaver was not KILLED at Ruby Ridge.

[Torcert]

Yes, that is what everyone needs to get into as a next step.