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Waco Blunders Through Its 'Biker Shootout' Investigation
The Atlantic ^ | December 22, 2015 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 12/22/2015 7:58:49 AM PST by don-o

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To: Cboldt

“What exactly would the cops do that was a violation of (somebody’s) first amendment right?”

Preventing people from assembling.... clear violation of the first amendment. That is what people seem to be retroactively demanding that the cops should have done.

“I’ve suggested the cops arrest a few of the ringleaders either on open warrants or some pretense.”

Which probably wouldn’t have stopped the rest of them from showing up, so people would still be complaining and trying to find a way to pin this criminal-initiated violence on the cops.


41 posted on 12/22/2015 10:54:01 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Prolixus

How did they “screw up”?

What exactly do you expect police to do BEFORE a crime has been committed?

All you conspiracy nuts think they are fascists for stopping a crime AFTER it was already happening, so do you really expect us to believe you would be happier if the police acted preemptively???


42 posted on 12/22/2015 10:55:34 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: don-o

That’s a bad link, but I found the story you’re quoting. Funny, it also includes this information that you left out:

“The franchisee’s statement, issued late in the day, also conflicts with a statement made by Twin Peaks corporate made earlier, that the on site operator was told of law enforcement’s concerns and gave “assurances” that appropriate security measures had been taken.”

http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2015/05/twin-peaks-franchisee-says-law-enforcement-never-asked-biker-event-to-be-cancelled.html/

So it seems Waco PD and Twin Peaks corporate are telling the same story, while the franchisee (who would be most directly liable in a lawsuit) is the one telling a story nobody else agrees with.


43 posted on 12/22/2015 10:58:39 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: bgill

I do not know if the ATF was there but their weapon of choice for snipping is a 308.


44 posted on 12/22/2015 11:01:34 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: TexasGator
Where else have you seen 200+ gangsters involved in a shooting in a family plaza?

Not only is that a pejorative statement, but it presumes the presence of 200+ gangsters. It also implies that everyone present was shooting, when "involvement" might only be sitting on the throne in the bathroom of the premises.

Because of your pejorative characterization of those present, your statement is only an opinion, not fact.

You appear to have deep seated anger issues with bikers. Were you rejected by bikers in the past? Your postings here tend to indicate that you are the type of person no one would want to ride with. Even the lowest scooter tramps have standards.

45 posted on 12/22/2015 11:01:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cpdiii

should read as “sniping”


46 posted on 12/22/2015 11:03:06 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: TexasGator
Nope. That doesn't document how many shots were fired, nor who fired the shots. It only indicates how many people woke up dead the next day because they had been hit by one or more bullets.

Thanks for playing!

47 posted on 12/22/2015 11:04:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck


48 posted on 12/22/2015 11:05:42 AM PST by BlueDragon (TheHildbeast is so bad, purty near anybody should beat her. And that's saying something)
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To: Boogieman

Most likely corporate was simply reciting Swanton’s talking points that dominated the first few days’ news reports.


49 posted on 12/22/2015 11:05:58 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: TexasGator
Wound diameter does not determine the ballistics, because many factors can affect wound diameter.

You cannot rule out or definitively state a specific caliber based on the wound.

50 posted on 12/22/2015 11:06:46 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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I do not know if the ATF was there ...

Yep. They were.

51 posted on 12/22/2015 11:08:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Boogieman
-- Preventing people from assembling.... clear violation of the first amendment. --

So, Stroman's cover story is that he's upset the proprietor wouldn't facilitate prevention of assembly?

Your theory is poppycock. The government wouldn't have been preventing assembly, per se, it would have been closing one venue, at most; and by enlisting the proprietor, there is no violation, period. There wouldn't be "government action."

See, for example, Mall of America seeking a TRO against Black Lives Matter.

52 posted on 12/22/2015 11:16:13 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Boogieman
None of those versions corroborates your original contention.

Your original contention was, "The police tried to stop it but the business owners would not cooperate."

53 posted on 12/22/2015 11:20:45 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Smokin' Joe

I think there is an open question of whether AFT was there before the violence, or came afterwards.


54 posted on 12/22/2015 11:22:25 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Wound diameter does not determine the ballistics, because many factors can affect wound diameter.
You cannot rule out or definitively state a specific caliber based on the wound. “

Read the autopsies. ‘Calibers’ were NOT determined based on the wound. They were determined from the recovered bullets!

But you knew this because I had posted that to you before. So I can only assume you are on a disinformation campaign.


55 posted on 12/22/2015 11:31:33 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Because of your pejorative characterization of those present, your statement is only an opinion, not fact.”

Based not on opinion but on the number of arrests and indictments.


56 posted on 12/22/2015 11:32:29 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Cboldt

“I think there is an open question of whether AFT was there before the violence, or came afterwards.”

What would the American Federation of Teachers be doing at a breastaurant on a Sunday morning?


57 posted on 12/22/2015 11:34:05 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Smokin' Joe

” That doesn’t document how many shots were fired, nor who fired the shots.”

It documents who probably killed the gangsters.


58 posted on 12/22/2015 11:37:02 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Arrests and indictments are not convictions. Your prejudices are showing, Crawford.


59 posted on 12/22/2015 11:41:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cpdiii

Yes, ATF was there. WPD said they were and photos prove they were.


60 posted on 12/22/2015 11:43:21 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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