Posted on 12/21/2015 6:04:59 AM PST by HomerBohn
Why do you assume there has to be a process?
That’s why I said wave of the wand, nodding of the head-— granting of citizenship under the penumbra of man made law.
“So, a child of a military parent serving overseas is not a natural born citizen?”
If they are born on U.S. soil.
Isn’t this dude supposed to be an attorney. Clearly does not
understand the law. No wonder hearings have gone nowhere.
penumbra of man made law
Like the Constitution?
Not a definition legally supported anywhere. The only legal definition of "natural born citizen" that's ever held any validity is "citizen of the Unites States at the moment of birth". Rubio and Cruz both qualify under that definition based on the citizenship laws in effect at the time of their respective births.
“Like the Constitution?”
Yes
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INCORRECT. Care for door number 2?
You have a good day.
My apologies. It would help if FR had an edit option.
Here is the proof read version:
So?....In your opinion, as person of honest good how do you think our Founders would define “natural born citizen�
Would the Founders qualify someone as a natural born citizen who was born in another country with one non-U.S. citizen parent, had dual citizenship at birth and later that foreign citizenship needed to be renounced, but one parent ( at birth) was a U.S. citizen?
As a person of honest good will, do you think our Founders would have considered that person a natural born citizen? Or?...As a person of honest good will do you think the Founders would have considered him not eligible for the position of president?
(Just wondering)
Wow, that was well-reasoned.
I suppose we all need to bow to your personal interpretation of things and ignore all legal and process history.
If they are born on U.S. soil.
And if they are born at the foreign duty station?
Not true
There is a procedure for a child broad to acquire birth citizenship, note I did not say natural born citizenship, just citizenship at birth. This procedure has been in place since 1910.
From search.ancestry.com
Contained in this database are birth reports from U.S. Consulates abroad between the years of 1910 and 1949. The report form is called A Consular Report of Birth Abroad and is primary proof of the individual's American citizenship. To qualify, the child must have either two U.S. citizen parents with one of the parents having resided in the U.S. prior to the child's birth, or one of the child's parents must be a U.S. citizen who has resided in the U.S. for a specified number of years previous to the child's birth.
From the US State Department
A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child's parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child's name.
The procedure is as documented for US Armed forces families at military.findlaw.com but this procedure applies to all US citizens living aboard.
From military.findlaw
If the parents are married to each other, the child is a U.S. citizen if
One parent is a U.S. citizen, and the U.S. citizen parent lived in the U.S. for at least five years prior to the child's birth, at least two of which were after the age of fourteen.
In Cruzs' case the above is applicable. Then the procedure to acquire "birth citizenship" is:
After the parents have determined that their child is a U.S. citizen, they need to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad at the nearest U.S. consulate. The parents will need to submit an application (PDF), along with documentation proving the parents' citizenship and the record of the child's birth from the resident country. The Consular Report of Birth Abroad can be used later as proof of the child's U.S. citizenship, and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport for the child.
See more at: http://military.findlaw.com/family-employment-housing/military-children-born-abroad.html#sthash.1zXFHWSD.dpuf
Of course his situation is different from Cruz’s.
Clearly Rubberio qualified as a 14th Amendment “Anchor Baby”, the question was whether or not the 14th gave Anchor Babies NBC. It could, just not certain it does.
If indeed there are only two types of citizens, naturalized and Natural Born, and Rubberio is not required to go through Naturalization, then the logical conclusion is he is NBC.
By the definition some now try to use, some of the early presidents would not have been eligible, even President Hanson.
WRONG!
Thank you for that information.
“Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen.”
It does make sense that although no Naturalization process is required, a US documentation of the birth is required. I should have realized that foreign documentation would not be sufficient. Yemen birth certificates should not be enough.
Perhaps this will shed some light on the topic and your trove of facts:
You are welcome :)
As mentioned in the article, Congress passed a law to make an exception for just such a case. They retracted the law because they cannot change the Constitution without amending it. Unlike Scrotus /s
“Yeah those native Irish really had it together when Columbus landed.”
My point was, and it is true, that the nation’s native born population, has at all times in our past, vastly outnumbered the immigrant population.
There is no nation on earth that has not been settled by migration, including the “native-Americans”.
The United States has never at any point in time risked the loss of its identity. Because of immigration, it does so now. Immigration now is not building our country, it is causing the loss of our identity as a nation.
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