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Grand jury’s term extended to handle Twin Peaks investigation [Waco]
Waco Herald-Tribune ^ | December 15, 2015 | TOMMY WITHERSPOON

Posted on 12/16/2015 1:41:19 PM PST by don-o

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To: don-o

” These people are entitled to be treated individually, whether they are being arrested and booked or making bonds. They are also entitled to individual assessment when they are going before a grand jury.”

They were treated individually when they were arrested, booked, made bond and indicted ...


21 posted on 12/17/2015 8:01:37 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

The ‘police-Detective was NEVER head of that Grand Jury ..

Not True

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20150714-editorial-can-waco-bikers-get-a-fair-hearing.ece

Head will serve as foreman...


22 posted on 12/17/2015 8:08:56 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

“Head will serve as foreman...”

Duh ... That was NOT the same jury that heard the Twin Peak cases.

If you read your link it say there is a POSSIBILITY that they might hear the cases!

The officials in Waco said that jury would NOT hear the TP cases.


23 posted on 12/17/2015 8:15:29 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: don-o; TexasGator
They were treated individually when they were arrested, booked, made bond and indicted ...

Fletcher:
Damn you, Senator. You promised me those men would be decently treated.

Senator Lane:
They were decently treated. They were decently fed and then they were decently shot.

Gotta love people like the Senator and Texas Lizard.

24 posted on 12/17/2015 8:15:49 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Boogieman
Do you disagree with the premise that treatment as an individual is axiomatic to due process?

-- Organized crime statutes are specifically designed to hold all individuals in the organization responsible for crimes committed by the organization. --

ROTFL. You aren't quite as much the idiot that Texas Gator is, but you're darn close.

25 posted on 12/17/2015 8:27:14 AM PST by Cboldt
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-- You would rather have them rush to judgment than do the job properly? --

It only took one day to issue a set of over a hundred cookie cutter indictments, about a month ago. I assume you find that to have been a job properly done. Why should it take another 90 days to issue another batch to cover the remaining accused?

Personally, I see this case a an early rush to judgment, followed by foot dragging in order to maximize the punishment by process, and NONE of DA's job has been done properly. No particularized allegations, all cookie-cutter accusations and allegations. Sloppy, sloppy work, and a sort of work that ought to cause a person to distrust the criminal prosecution apparatus.

26 posted on 12/17/2015 8:32:59 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TexasGator
They were treated individually when they were arrested, detained based on their apparel, booked, confined without individualized probable cause, using identical affidavits sworn by ONE officer who later testified that he did not witness what we swore to, made bond after being held under unconstitutional excessive and punitive bonds and indicted ..after about ten minutes each that the DA ha to present his case to the GJ.

Jackson called Waco police Detective Manuel Chavez as a witness to describe how the affidavits were drafted. To obtain the arrest warrants, Chavez swore before a judge as to their content. He testified Thursday that the document was written by prosecutors in the McLennan County District Attorney's Office on the day of the shootout. Chavez admitted he did't know if Atterbury, 45, committed any of the offenses alleged in the affidavit and acknowledged that the affidavit does not accuse Atterbury specifically of any wrongdoing besides being a member of the Cossacks. "Is membership in one of those organizations a crime?" Jackson asked. Chavez answered, "No." "You did not furnish any information to Judge (Pete) Peterson that my client committed any crime, did you?" Jackson asked. Chavez said, "No, sir."

"And now you know....the rest of the story."

27 posted on 12/17/2015 8:42:33 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Cboldt

“ROTFL. You aren’t quite as much the idiot that Texas Gator is, but you’re darn close.”

Coming from the likes of you, I take that as high praise.


28 posted on 12/17/2015 8:57:00 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Don’t forget that. I may send more “praise” your way later. You’ve earned all of it, and then some.


29 posted on 12/17/2015 9:04:27 AM PST by Cboldt
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“It only took one day to issue a set of over a hundred cookie cutter indictments, about a month ago. I assume you find that to have been a job properly done.”

Nonsense. The grand jury convened October 14th, and didn’t issue those indictments until November 10th.

“Why should it take another 90 days to issue another batch to cover the remaining accused?”

Why don’t you ask the members of the grand jury? If you had any sense, you would know they are the only ones that are in any position to possibly answer that question. Of course, they’re legally restricted from answering you, so the question itself is pointless to ask in the first place, isn’t it?


30 posted on 12/17/2015 9:06:42 AM PST by Boogieman
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If you followed this thing even halfway closely, you would know that Reyna made it known that he presented his “case” and got his 106 indictments in one day.


31 posted on 12/17/2015 9:16:55 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

I think you’re confusing the arraignments with the indictments. Or do you think the Grand Jury was just sitting around playing charades for weeks before the DA showed up to present them with a case?


32 posted on 12/17/2015 9:19:35 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman; Cboldt
Coming from the likes of you, I take that as high praise.

Anyone who has followed these threads knows that cboldt has provided reams of relevant and substantive posts. Same folks know who shows up to troll.

33 posted on 12/17/2015 9:20:50 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Boogieman
-- Nonsense. The grand jury convened October 14th, and didn't issue those indictments until November 10th. --

What makes you think they started considering the cases on the first day they met? Oh wait, by your argument, you can't know that because the GJ is sworn to secrecy.

Reyna said 106 cases were presented to the grand jury Tuesday and 106 indictments were returned [the same Tuesday].
Grand jury indicts 106 bikers in connection with Twin Peaks shootout - WacoTrib.com

There was a flurry of criticism at the time, along the lines of "the GJ only took five minutes to review the evidence for each person charged."

You'd probably take it as really high praise if I said you were a bigger idiot than TexasGator.

34 posted on 12/17/2015 9:22:16 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Boogieman

I am not confused at all.


35 posted on 12/17/2015 9:22:55 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

If you call them “relevant and substantive”, then they’re surely just worthless conspiracy tripe.


36 posted on 12/17/2015 9:27:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

You just exposed the fact that you do not even read the threads. You just jump on and troll.


37 posted on 12/17/2015 9:29:29 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Cboldt

Good work. I was going to go looking for that one.


38 posted on 12/17/2015 9:30:55 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Boogieman

PING TO POST 34


39 posted on 12/17/2015 9:42:02 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Cboldt

Ok, seems I made a mistake in assuming the Grand Jury was actually hearing the cases from the time they convened.

Still not really seeing what the big issue is here. The grand jury heard the cases and felt the evidence presented was enough to return an indictment based on. Not too surpising to me, since the fundamentals of the case are pretty straight forward, after all.


40 posted on 12/17/2015 10:25:12 AM PST by Boogieman
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