I don't support more guns in America: Ex-NYPD chief (Dumba** alert!)

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[Red in Blue PA]

Former NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said Monday he's against allowing civilians easier access to guns, even in the face of increased fear about a Paris-style terror attack in the United States.

"I'm not totally in support of more guns," Kelly told CNBC's "Squawk Box," citing the accuracy rate in police-involved shootings within the NYPD as a reason to be wary of arming everyday Americans.

[Red in Blue PA]

One has to try really hard to be this stupid.

Wow!

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[Azeem]

NYPD can’t shoot accurately so terrorists don’t have much to fear in NYC. The NY Glock trigger pulls the gun with each pull. CCW carrying civilians are usually better shooters than most police that only qualify once a year.

[Red in Blue PA]

Per an NRA presentation:

FBI statistics: Armed citizens hit their target 82% of the time versus 18-24% for cops.

[RC one]

"So if you have civilians out there with guns that perhaps they've only fired once or maybe even never fired and they're in a tumultuous situation with the adrenaline flowing, you want them out there shooting their guns? I think you have to think hard about that whole issue."

I have fired thousands of rounds this summer and tens if thousands of rounds when I was in the infantry and your opinion is worth no more than the next guy's sooooo, yeah. FU.

[kennyboy509]

He’s right!

He should give me all of those guns.

I will lose them in a horrible canoe accident.

[Lurkinanloomin]

citing the accuracy rate in police-involved shootings
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NYPD sucks with their guns. They had a situation with an armed suspect on the street a few years ago where the responding officers fired many rounds, wounded several bystanders and did not hit the perp.

I practice every weekend, I hit what I aim at.
Most cops shoot when they have to, usually once a year for qualification.

[Talisker]

How about the idea that the People decide if the cops get guns, the cops don’t decide if the people get guns?

[DJ MacWoW]

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[max americana]

this idiot is not in office so my stupidity radar ain;t on red alert

[Lurker]

How novel.

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[Red in Blue PA]

NYPD hit 9 bystanders and ZERO perp.

NYPD: 9 shooting bystander victims hit by police gunfire

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/

[ncpatriot]

Great idea!
NYC send all your guns to the rural areas of USA

[Yosemitest]

See !
We TOLD YA' that LIBERALISM IS a MENTAL DISORDER !

[yarddog]

Is this the guy who was once police chief of Los Angeles before moving to New York?

If so, he has always been a gun control freak tho conservative in some ways.

[Yosemitest]

“A traitor is everyone who does not agree with me.”
King George III


The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You can not protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution,
is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right,
the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidized, but are subject to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

There was a thread about Trump here on FR which mentioned Trump wanting Raymond Kelly as part of his administration, should he, Trump, become president. It what capacity, I don’t know.

I remember reading that Kelly wanted the taxpayers to provide him with as many as twelve bodyguards, because he is an ex New York City Police Commissioner.

Meanwhile, he wants to deny us “civilians”....which should read CITIZENS....the right to defend ourselves. How nice of him.

[Talisker]

innit?

[july4thfreedomfoundation]

That was the current police commissioner, William Bratton, who went from New York to Los Angeles and then back to New York.

While Bratton was the head of the LAPD, he made the outrageous comment that anyone who is opposed to illegal immigration should get out of California, or similar words. Bratton should have been run out of town on a rail for making that comment. (In a way, I guess he was).

[hadaclueonce]

In a perfect world all the police would have to do is sit in a coffee shop and write tickets for seatbelt violations.

All could go home safe.

Sorry about that pesky little Constitution ruining a good gig.