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Sinai plane crash: No survivors on Russian airliner KGL9268
BBC News ^ | 31 October 2015

Posted on 10/31/2015 2:35:11 PM PDT by Lorianne

A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai killing all 224 people on board, Egyptian officials have said.

The Airbus A-321 had just left the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, bound for the Russian city of St Petersburg.

Wreckage was found in the Hasana area and bodies removed, along with the plane's "black box". An official described a "tragic scene" with bodies of victims still strapped to seats.

Egypt's prime minister said no "irregular" activities were to blame.

Sinai has an active militant network, and on Saturday afternoon, jihadis allied to the so-called Islamic State made a claim on social media that they brought down flight KGL9268.

But Russian Transport Minister Maksim Sokolov told Interfax news agency that "such reports cannot be considered true". No evidence had been seen that indicated the plane was targeted, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: airbusa321; egypt; eritrea; iran; isis; kgl9268; kogalymavia; redsea; russia; russiaplanecrash; sharmelsheikh; sinai; sinaiplanecrash; stpetersburg; suezcanal; yemen
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1 posted on 10/31/2015 2:35:11 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

23 minutes in the air at time of problem

31,000 feet

Sorry to see this happen.


2 posted on 10/31/2015 2:44:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Lorianne

MANPADS at 33,000 feet..?

Verrrrrry hard to believe.


3 posted on 10/31/2015 2:58:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Lorianne

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g297555-i9225-k8250711-Security_removing_items_from_hand_luggage_at_airport-Sharm_El_Sheikh_South_Sinai_Red_Sea_an.html

Sharm El Sheikh airport has had awful security for a long time.

It’s a bomb.


4 posted on 10/31/2015 3:03:07 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: gaijin

so that means you think it wasn’t terrorist? Right? I know what you wrote down is some kind of weapon


5 posted on 10/31/2015 3:03:47 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: gaijin

The plane didn’t have enough time to reach 30,000 feet if it went down where it is shown.

Not that there couldn’t have been other failures. We don’t know yet.


6 posted on 10/31/2015 3:04:17 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Snickering Hound

I’ve been there, though many years ago. I can easily imagine how lax security is/was.


7 posted on 10/31/2015 3:05:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Snickering Hound

Would there be that many intact bodies and pieces of wreckage with a bomb (or missile)?


8 posted on 10/31/2015 3:06:25 PM PDT by erlayman
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To: Lorianne

Does it not seem strange that very little evidence of fire is visible? At least in what few photos I’ve seen.


9 posted on 10/31/2015 3:15:09 PM PDT by donozark (Herbicides improve visibility.)
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To: Snickering Hound
considering the area it left from..and the aircraft ...Russian in the Middle East and the politics going on... sabotage of some kind a good suspect till eliminated.... realistically for ISIS wouldn't that be a prime target of opportunity to put a bomb on the Soviet civilian aircraft that was leaving airport of low security in the Middle East. would be low hanging fruit. that's why they call it terrorism...
10 posted on 10/31/2015 3:16:08 PM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patr are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: dp0622
so that means you think it wasn’t terrorist? Right? I know what you wrote down is some kind of weapon

Eh, no, I do suspect something like 60% chance of terrorism, to snatch a pretty random number out of thin air.

If in fact the aircraft did achieve and hold an altitude of 33,000 feet then I am strongly dubious that the cause of the crash could have been a small MAN PORTABLE missile, like the SA-7 Grail, which is incredibly prolific.

Larger missile? Yes.

A hostile aircraft? Yes.

A bomb? Yes.

An on-board fight instigated by suicidal fundamentalists? Yes.

But the chances that an SA-7 (small, man portable) missile could have downed that aircraft at an altitude of 33,000 feet is less than 0.1%, since it has a service ceiling of 4.5 km.

The one and ONLY thing I'm saying is that there is no way with this baby.

11 posted on 10/31/2015 3:16:46 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: erlayman

It doesn’t take a very big bomb to cause a plane to come apart in flight. And there were bodies from the MH17 which was hit by the missile in Ukraine.


12 posted on 10/31/2015 3:18:30 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: gaijin

Gotcha. Thanks. Scary how many ways there are to take one down.

.01 percent is pretty slim :)


13 posted on 10/31/2015 3:19:22 PM PDT by dp0622
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To: donozark

Yes, though in the BBC story it said one-half of the plane was damaged by fire (I think the back half). But we haven’t seen photos of such.


14 posted on 10/31/2015 3:19:27 PM PDT by Lorianne
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15 posted on 10/31/2015 3:19:48 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: tophat9000

Plane full of Russians...and a few from Ukraine.

Very easy to bribe or even find a sympathetic baggage handler to toss a device into the cargo area.

My guess is they were hoping it would go off over the Med to make recovery more difficult, now it’s easier to identify the explosives they used and find out specifically who made the bomb.


16 posted on 10/31/2015 3:20:08 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound
It's a bomb.

But I bet the smuggler had to pay a couple of hundred Euros to get it through security.

17 posted on 10/31/2015 3:20:57 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Men need a reason to shop. Women need a place.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
But I bet the smuggler had to pay a couple of hundred Euros to get it through security.

Obama and Soros wouldn't mind, it's not their money.

18 posted on 10/31/2015 3:28:01 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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To: Karl Spooner

Yikes. That doesn’t look like pilot error or equipment failure to me unless that fire happened on the ground after impact.

Anybody have expertise in this area?


19 posted on 10/31/2015 3:33:49 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Karl Spooner
What airliner is that? Here is an image of one of the pieces. The plane came apart and was scattered over 5 square kilometers.


20 posted on 10/31/2015 3:35:33 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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