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[Finny]

Do cut and paste examples of “vitriol” in my posts.

[Finny]

Again, rereading your post, MKJ, back up your claims by posting examples of "vitriol" in my posts to you.

Do it. Right now -- go through all my posts to you on this thread and find the words that you perceive as "vitriol." Prove your accusation.

[Finny]

You are far too eager to assign the worst of motives to your fellow FReepers ...

Prove it. Cut and paste the words in my posts here that "assign the worst of motives" to fellow FReepers. I can think of one post of mine that could be interpreted that way, but it wasn't initially addressed to you, it was to a different FReeper and you were pinged. And at that, again, it is rather like a equating anger with hatred -- the two are very different from each other, but many times people think that if someone is angry at them, then that someone "hates" them. And they are badly mistaken in thinking so 99 percent of the time. I have been guilty of it as much as anyone.

Do you equate thinking that someone is misguided, with thinking that someone is acting on "the worst of motives"?

[Finny]

Come on, MK -- I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence of your charge that I, finny, posted "vitriol" and "assign(ed) the worst of motives to fellow FReepers" in my posts on this thread.

You have insulted me and made a pretty ugly charge against me. Now BACK IT UP with evidence. It should be easy for you to do -- so DO IT.

Or if you have honor, ask the moderator to delete your post #159 in which you make absolutely false and hostile allegations against me.

Actions speak louder than words, MKJ.

[Finny]

This guy’s post #159 — very, very disappointing and disillusioning.

[EternalVigilance]

She was reaching out to you with her comment, admitting that she used to think exactly the same way.

That’s an olive branch, man.

Pretty mean, disproportionate response on your part, IMO.

[mkjessup]

Post #153

For so many decades I believed in voting "against," the same as our FRiend MKJessup and so many others still believe. Thinking that a goal can be accomplished by relying on an imaginary resource, is folly; the goal will remain elusive every time. It's like planning with wisdom and precision a nice trip, itinerary, budgeting and saving up for plane tickets and hotels, etc. -- and counting on the Tooth Fairy to act as your travel agent. No matter how good the plan, the trip will never materialize because from the git-go, you've lost it -- there's no such thing as the Tooth Fairy, and there's no such thing as voting "against."

There is the first installment, sounds pretty judgmental to me.

Post #151

My 20/20 hindsight, which was also adopted by enough fellow conservatives in 2012, served our nation and all "conservatives" who voted for Romney very well -- the bastard lost, and you, MKJ, are off the hook for all the garbage statism and amoral evil he would done in your name with your endorsement.

More judgment, assuming that because one voted AGAINST Obama (*by voting for the Republican ticket headed by Romney) that one was endorsing all of the policies of Romney. Quite to the contrary, a voter in 2012 who cast their vote for the Republican ticket was effectively voting AGAINST the policies of the Obamunist regime, and while they might not have agreed with each and every position that Romney and the GOP platform stood for, they made a reasoned judgment of their own, that those policies could not be much worse than what had already been done over the previous four years.

Now if you want to talk about 'endorsements', in your post #156, you endorsed Blackelk's post #117 in which he said:

What can NEVER be justified is any person calling himself or herself an American, a patriot, much less a conservative, and voting for Romney OR Obozo.

Sounds like Blackelk is saying that I (and many other FReepers, including our Founder) are not Americans, not patriots, not conservatives if we voted AGAINST Obama by voting the GOP ticket in 2012.

And, it can never be repeated often enough, as Finny often posts, we have only the option of voting FOR a candidate. There is no mechanism for voting AGAINST one.

Again that faulty logic trap. If you cast your vote for ONE candidate and their party, you are effectively voting AGAINST the candidate of the OTHER party.

If and when this nation is destroyed it will be due to those who lack the courage or the clarity to vote the traditional morality of this country.

One more judgment. It is inferred that FReepers such as I (and others) lack 'courage' or 'traditional morality'.

Moving right along now, in your post #88 you took FReeper 'Thibodeaux' to task:

...you are so desperate to keep your own self-esteem intact, that you carry on with this charade and get angry at folks who used to be where you still are, but who have figured out that the deal being offered by left-leaning politicians that now dominate both major parties is almost literally "Heads I win, tails you lose."

...You went ahead and allowed yourself to be manipulated into voting for crap that you didn't want in the first place. OR DIDNT YOU? Norm Lenhart is becoming more and more convincing in his argument that indeed, people like you WANTED what Romney has to offer. You WANT the political equivalent of crap like Coca-Cola and actually think it's "better" than Pepsi, metaphorically speaking.
Wake the hell up.



Now in the interest of brevity, since you apparently support the general timbre of what Blackelk has had to say in this thread, I would urge your reviewing his posts at #119 and #120 and weighing in as to whether you endorse those comments as well?

Eternal Vigilance stated that my response to you was "mean" which strikes me as highly ironic when one considers the mean spirited crap that was posted in this thread directed at other FReepers long before I began commenting here, Blackelk leading the charge, and you (Finny) eager to join in with the "Amens!" and the "me toos".

There you go, copied and pasted as requested.

[mkjessup]

Come on, MK -- I'm still waiting for you to provide some evidence of your charge that I, finny, posted "vitriol" and "assign(ed) the worst of motives to fellow FReepers" in my posts on this thread.

Perhaps you were mistaken, but my personal alarm clock does not ring when you demand it. I respond to posts when I return to FR, off and on throughout the day.

You have insulted me and made a pretty ugly charge against me. Now BACK IT UP with evidence. It should be easy for you to do -- so DO IT.

You got your evidence, you and Blackelk too.

Or if you have honor [emphasis mine-mkj], ask the moderator to delete your post #159 in which you make absolutely false and hostile allegations against me. Actions speak louder than words, MKJ.

"If I have honor", noooo no judgmental behavior going on there, is there? Sounds to me like you got miffed because I didn't respond on your timetable, so you're throwing a fit.

Take a chill pill.

[Finny]

If those words are what you interpret as "vitriolic" and "judgmental," then disagreeing with you at all is always going to qualify as "vitriolic" and "judgmental."

But above all -- you voted FOR Romney and every single amoral thing he stood for, from gay marriage and on-demand abortion, to nationalized health care and the environmentalist agenda, and complain because I hold you accountable for what you voted for while you claim you only voted "against" Obama.

Black Elk and Norm Lenhart and others use language I avoid and attribute motivations to folks like you that I refrain from attributing because I think you are only misguided, but I agree with them in principle that voting for Romney was wrong and if he had won, very bad things would have happened for which only the people who voted "against" Obama would be responsible --

-- and certainly I know now as they do (and you have yet to figure out) that voting "against" is pure fiction.

Sorry that it is so -- like you, I voted "against" for years and helped get the Republican party to the miserable state it is now. But at least I have faced it and you are still in denial, as I was myself for years.

If you are able to accuse me of endorsing, siding with, encouraging, taking part in, the "vitriol" and angry tone of certain posters here because I agree with them in political principal -- then YOU had better understand that you EXACTLY acted to endorse all of Romney's depraved morality and government statism when you voted for him.

You didn't vote "against" a damned thing. You are very, very confused and it's just sad.

You hoist yourself on your own petard.

[mkjessup]

Whatever gets you through the night Sweetheart.

[catfish1957]

Every FReeper of Kevin Brady's TX-8, district needs to up in arms.

This turd pretends to be the most conservative animal on the planet, but somehow forgot his roots and supported Boner's swan song.

PRIMARY HIS ASS in 2016

[Finny]

If you would like some examples of what I would consider "vitriol" as opposed to disagreeing with your political strategy/opinion, here are some:

you're throwing a fit....
Take a chill pill.

The most ironic of all: Eternal Vigilance stated that my response to you was "mean" which strikes me as highly ironic when one considers the mean spirited crap that was posted in this thread directed at other FReepers long before I began commenting here, Blackelk leading the charge, and you (Finny) eager to join in with the "Amens!"

Your vote for Romney was much more than an "amen" directed "against" Obama -- it was an effective action that would have put a depraved amoral Republican in the White House to do huge harm to America and the Republican party; any pretense of voting "against" Obama was strictly intent -- there's an old saying that The Road to hell is paved with good intentions because intent and action are very different from each other.

The "amen" you engaged in was more than a simple verbal agreement -- it was an empowering act that, thank God, failed.

And you know what I say to that?

I say Amen! {^)

[Finny]

Yet more real anger and vitriol from you. :^(

[Norm Lenhart]

I dont use nice friendly arguments because these people do not want to consider an alternate to their view so there is no point in holding back.

I see no point in politely debating an abortionist. Nor an amnesty advocate. Nor do I see a point when it comes to debating someone that shares many of those views through the candidates they support. They share a view. They are the same people. They want the same things. Thats why they vote for those that share their views. To advance them.

Treat them accordingly.

Just as you say, there is no voting ‘against’. Likewise, logic follows that a person who supports X votes for those that support X. In the case of Romney, he supports every major liberal issue on the table that liberals support. He did so prior to the election, he lied about it during the election and within 18 hours of losing the election, he reverted to supporting every major leftist issue. He also cannot stand and has always actively derided conservatives.

No breaks.

So with nothing to bitterly cling to, people that choose to continue defend their vote obviously share his values. Think about it Finny. Name one thing about Romney that makes you say ‘I support that! One.

They WANT what he offers.

[mkjessup]

Yet more real anger and vitriol from you. :^(

You're projecting.

But go right on ahead and beat that dead horse, I figure you got nothing better to do.

[Finny]

MkJessup is certainly convincing me more and more that you are correct, Norm.

[Norm Lenhart]

Make the leap Finny. I know its hard to accept but the facts are there.

[Thibodeaux]

by thanking God that Romney was not elected you are committing religious blasphemy by condoning Obama. Why do you worship Obama?

He is a conservative night mare

I know the reason..... sanctimonious self righteousness, pomposity and the inability to comprehend that Obama is disaster for America. Placing ones own self esteem and obama more important than America is the greatest conservative sin

[Finny]

by thanking God that Romney was not elected you are committing religious blasphemy by condoning Obama. Why do you worship Obama??

Why do you engage in such fallacious "reasoning"?

[Finny]

MK Jessup wrote upthread to me: You are far too eager to assign the worst of motives to your fellow FReepers when the fact is that you are NOT mind readers, you do not have the gift of divining the contents of another's mind or soul.

And his political ally writes to me downthread:

Why do you worship Obama?... I know the reason..... sanctimonious self righteousness, pomposity and the inability to comprehend that Obama is disaster for America. Placing ones own self esteem and obama more important than America is the greatest conservative sin

*sigh*