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Wisconsin Bill to Ban Cash
AAPS ^ | 10/24/15

Posted on 10/25/2015 1:52:19 PM PDT by grumpygresh

AAPS Executive Director Jane Orient, MD points out that: The provision states that uninsured patients, and ONLY uninsured patients may use credit, a credit card, a check, or a draft (but not cash). This implies two things: (1) Insured patients cannot pay for pain treatment that their insurance supposedly covers but denies in their case. (2) Uninsured patients who are hard up and don't have a checking account or credit cannot buy this type of medical care. Why should they not be allowed to use currency that is legal tender (and does not involve paying fees to a bank)? And what can practitioners do to protect themselves against fraudulent checks--which cost the recipient a substantial fee from the bank?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: cash; healthcare; medicine; wisconsin
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Incremental war on cash advances in the communist state of WI. Forcing a legal business not to accept legal tender would appear to violate basic contract law. So this is happening in a "Republican" legislature. How totalitarian. How is something like this going to be enforced? SWAT raids? So what's next? Gun dealers? Jewelers? Coin dealers? Remember Martin Niemoller's quote: First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist......
1 posted on 10/25/2015 1:52:19 PM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

This reminds me of the Liberty Dollar. A business should be allowed to accept anything as a form of payment, provided both parties agree to it.


2 posted on 10/25/2015 1:56:05 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: grumpygresh; afraidfortherepublic

We’ll keep an eye on this one for ya from Wisconsin.

In the meanwhile - Everybody on the 0bamaCare Bus!

*SPIT*


3 posted on 10/25/2015 1:56:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: grumpygresh

What is their point in banning cash?


4 posted on 10/25/2015 1:56:44 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: grumpygresh

Welcome to the next unintended (or intended) consequence of the war on drugs.


5 posted on 10/25/2015 1:59:30 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: grumpygresh

The provision states that uninsured patients, and ONLY uninsured patients may use credit, a credit card, a check, or a draft (but not cash). This implies two things: (1) Insured patients cannot pay for pain treatment that their insurance supposedly covers but denies in their case.

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This is getting pretty draconian. If an insured patient wants to personally pay for a prescription that insurance will not pay for, why can’t they? We just had this happen - insurance would not pay for lidocaine patches, but my relative wanted to pay personally & give it a try to see if it would relieve pain - the patches helped & although very expensive, can be used when necessary.

Second, some people don’t want a bank account or credit card. They should be able to pay cash for ANYTHING.

There is very little personal freedom left in this country - by forcing people to use a checking account or credit card, the government is making sure they can track just about everything you do.


6 posted on 10/25/2015 1:59:54 PM PDT by Qiviut
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To: grumpygresh
so they gonna take the "this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private" off the currency then???
7 posted on 10/25/2015 2:02:30 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: grumpygresh

2015 - 2016 LEGISLATURE
ASSEMBLY SUBSTITUTE AMENDMENT 1,
TO ASSEMBLY BILL 366
http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2015/related/amendments/ab366/asa1_ab366

October 21, 2015 - Offered by Representative Nygren (R-Marinette,WI)


8 posted on 10/25/2015 2:02:38 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: grumpygresh

They can’t ban cash, it is written on each bill for just this reason.

“This bill is legal tender for all debts private and public.”


9 posted on 10/25/2015 2:02:47 PM PDT by stockpirate (The Republican leadership are all fascist/Socialists, just like the fascist democrats.)
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To: grumpygresh

They can’t ban cash, it is written on each bill for just this reason.

“This bill is legal tender for all debts private and public.”


10 posted on 10/25/2015 2:03:11 PM PDT by stockpirate (The Republican leadership are all fascist/Socialists, just like the fascist democrats.)
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To: grumpygresh

What about bribes? Can they still be in cash?


11 posted on 10/25/2015 2:06:18 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: grumpygresh

I am not altogether sure that this is constitutional. Art I Sec. 8 gives Congress authority over money and regulation of interstate commerce. The Health industry has long been recognized as interstate by the courts. In other words state regulation of any commercial activity that is interstate in nature is subordinate to Federal under the constitution. I am having a hard time seeing how any state can declare that Federally issued money is not acceptable for any legally available product or service, much less one that falls under the interstate commerce clause.

Color me dubious.


12 posted on 10/25/2015 2:06:24 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: stockpirate
They can’t ban cash, it is written on each bill for just this reason.

Nobody's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.

13 posted on 10/25/2015 2:08:35 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: grumpygresh

There are states such as Wisconsin and Kansas that should be conservative but are wretched hives of scum and communism.


14 posted on 10/25/2015 2:08:39 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Ok. We won't call them 'Anchor Babies'. From now on, we shall call them 'Fetal Grappling Hooks'.)
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To: Girlene

Eliminate cash and the eiltes/bureaucracies/IRS will be able to keep track of every single personal property transaction/garage sell, book buy, gun transfer or whatever-—so they can monitor (and eventually control) every single private action and tax you or “watch” you-—or put you in prison, or whatever.

You will never have the ability to be private (have dignity of any sort—you are an object of the State/bank).

That way-—in the Brave New World-—they can isolate and target and kill all their “enemies” easily-—they have no ability to buy anything if the bank shuts them off-—people who believe in self-reliance/autonomy.

Anyone who is not willing to be a “happy slave” of the elite sodomites can be totally controlled.


15 posted on 10/25/2015 2:10:09 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: grumpygresh

And what can practitioners do to protect themselves against fraudulent checks—which cost the recipient a substantial fee from the bank?

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Huh? I’ve been the recipient of a fraudulent check, the bank didn’t charge me anything.


16 posted on 10/25/2015 2:12:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: Lazamataz

Um, excuse me? It’s, ‘Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy.”

If you are going to INSULT us, then get it RIGHT!

P.S. :) XXOO


17 posted on 10/25/2015 2:21:28 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: grumpygresh

When this whole obama care thing started a group of doctors out of Augusta Maine decided to accept no medicare/medicaid/obama care and take ONLY cash/check/credit cards...all prices are up front and far less than any hospital...you can even get a home visit...These are the doctors I have chosen(I am healthy and never go to see one except for a paid physical for 98.00 flat) to take care of me and my better half. We pay a small monthly fee for membership and have access to anything a hospital has to offer ....there are many of these services available around the country...look into it.


18 posted on 10/25/2015 2:21:48 PM PDT by mythenjoseph (Separation of powers)
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To: grumpygresh

This would violate Article I, section 10, of the US Constitution. First, states may not impair contracts, and contracts may specify the means of payment. Second no state may prohibit use of US currency to pay any debt.


19 posted on 10/25/2015 2:24:36 PM PDT by Thud
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To: mythenjoseph

Will do. Thanks for the heads up.


20 posted on 10/25/2015 2:25:07 PM PDT by SWAMP-C1PHER (HOMINIS OECONOMICUM CIVITATIS)
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