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19 states push poor women to get an IUD immediately after childbirth - at taxpayer expense
LifeSiteNews ^ | 10/16/15 | Father Mark Hodges

Posted on 10/19/2015 7:27:08 AM PDT by wagglebee

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To: annalex; EternalVigilance; xzins; P-Marlowe; trisham; Responsibility2nd; TheOldLady; RedMDer; ...
Observe that the “conservative” contingent is all for it.

Whenever I post a thread on eugenics the "conservatives" who are all for it come out of the woodwork.

21 posted on 10/19/2015 8:16:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NorthMountain

OK, so lets give welfare women a $xxx bonus for accepting sterilization. Would that make you happier?


22 posted on 10/19/2015 8:18:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: wagglebee

How about ‘installing’ these on ALL female members of the ROP™ as a condition of entry? If they are removed without authorization (authorization IFF they renounce mohamhead and HIS allah, eat bacon and ham for several meals, pet large black dogs and kiss a Jew or three), they earn a nice, peaceful cell at Gitmo and all children get sent to Christian orphanages.


23 posted on 10/19/2015 8:18:57 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: PapaBear3625

I would go one further and suggest mandatory sterilization to anyone who goes on welfare.


24 posted on 10/19/2015 8:21:13 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: PapaBear3625
Ideally, we would reduce the birthrate

No, ideally we would let American women to do as they please and stop taxing the worker to pay for their decisions. Anything else heaps another violence on top of the original one.

25 posted on 10/19/2015 8:25:49 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Flavious_Maximus
I would go one further and suggest mandatory sterilization to anyone who goes on welfare.

No, I know a woman who had to temporarily go on welfare after a fire in her apartment building destroyed all her stuff, including the goods for her small business (this was decades ago). She was on for two or three months before getting back on her feet.

If you're on welfare for more than a year, then OK.

26 posted on 10/19/2015 8:25:59 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: Drango

Then you are for killing the unborn.


27 posted on 10/19/2015 8:28:28 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: annalex
No, ideally we would let American women to do as they please and stop taxing the worker to pay for their decisions. Anything else heaps another violence on top of the original one.

Won't work. You will get endless sob stories about heartless Republicans starving innocent babies. Long-term birth control or sterilization side-steps all that.

28 posted on 10/19/2015 8:28:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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I would go one further and suggest mandatory sterilization to anyone who goes on welfare.

Why stop there? Why not sterilize the daughters of welfare recipients?

29 posted on 10/19/2015 8:29:02 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

We can either do something now, or wait for the underclass to grow to the point where the whole welfare system collapses. If the latter, then we will see a lot of dying among the POST-born.


30 posted on 10/19/2015 8:32:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: wagglebee
I've been called a nazi before for my views on this.

Taxpayer expense????

Like the expense of paying for their multiple births and living expenses?

What do you call owning another human being for profit?

What do you call forcing another human being to work without profit?

You may view me as a nazi, but I view YOU as a SLAVER!

31 posted on 10/19/2015 8:33:18 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed,)
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OK ...

LET'S ABOLISH WIC, SNAP, TANF, AFDC, Section 8, Medicaid ...

I'm quite serious about that. I'm also quite serious about killing babies being seriously evil.

32 posted on 10/19/2015 8:34:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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“They should have been IUDed BEFORE they got knocked up.”

I’ve always believed that, too. But what about the men? If they know that every partner, or potential partner, can’t get pregnant, promiscuity will increase. It’ll be a free-for-all for the guys. How about reversible vasectomies for men until they can prove they’re able to be responsible for children?

I’m so sick of having to support these rutting animals and their progeny with our taxes.


33 posted on 10/19/2015 8:38:08 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: NorthMountain
LET'S ABOLISH WIC, SNAP, TANF, AFDC, Section 8, Medicaid ... I'm quite serious about that. I'm also quite serious about killing babies being seriously evil.

I'm cool with abolishing welfare.

Would YOU continue to be cool with it, if it was shown that it resulted in a higher rate of abortion? In other words, if it was shown to you that lack of those federal programs resulted in underclass women who got pregnant choosing abortion, rather than dealing with the expense of raising a baby on her own, would you still be in favor of abolishing welfare?

34 posted on 10/19/2015 8:42:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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I’ve always believed that, too. But what about the men? If they know that every partner, or potential partner, can’t get pregnant, promiscuity will increase. It’ll be a free-for-all for the guys. How about reversible vasectomies for men until they can prove they’re able to be responsible for children?

It only takes one man to potentially impregnate a hundred women. Are you going to advocate sterilization of ALL men, on or off welfare? What will be your criteria for their being able to prove being responsible?

35 posted on 10/19/2015 8:44:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Welfare is unconstitutional, and therefore evil by way of being a usurpation of power by the government. Welfare is also theft under color of law, and therefore inherently evil.

Abortion, whatever the excuse given for it, is the deliberate killing of innocent human persons; it is murder under color of law and therefore inherently evil.

Welfare should be abolished, as other forms of theft are outlawed.

Abortion should be outlawed, as other forms of murder are outlawed.

That's my position, son. Deal with it.

36 posted on 10/19/2015 8:46:27 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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I've been called a nazi before for my views on this.

I'm not surprised?

Taxpayer expense????

Like the expense of paying for their multiple births and living expenses?

Where have I EVER supported welfare?

What do you call owning another human being for profit?

What do you call forcing another human being to work without profit?

You may view me as a nazi, but I view YOU as a SLAVER!

So, I am a "slaver" for opposing welfare AND mandatory sterilization?

37 posted on 10/19/2015 8:53:23 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NorthMountain

I’m cool with your position.


38 posted on 10/19/2015 8:55:04 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: wagglebee

It doesn’t go withut saying on this thread that there’s no moral difference between a chemical or mechanical means that prevents an already-created human being from implanting in the uterus and taking a three year-old - or a thirty year-old - and locking them in a closet without food and water until they are dead.

And if the moral argument is of no effect with some of these people, they need to have it explained to them that their own rights are not secure if the supreme right of the most helpless and innocent among us are not secure.


39 posted on 10/19/2015 9:04:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: PapaBear3625

Thank you. FWIW, I apply the same thinking to the illegal alien problem. Serious border protection and immigration law enforcement AND abolish the ‘goodies from the government’ (welfare, driver licenses, etc) that attract them.


40 posted on 10/19/2015 9:05:35 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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