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Putin wants to preserve Syria – this is not about Russia-US relations
the guardian ^ | 10/1 | Mary Dejevsky

Posted on 10/01/2015 9:24:42 AM PDT by RummyChick

When the US and USSR were engaged in their proxy conflicts during the cold war – in Central America, in Africa, even in Afghanistan – there was always an ideological element and the forces of the two countries never confronted each other directly on the battlefield. The risk of a superpower conflagration was kept at one remove......

For Putin, the priority is the preservation of the Syrian state. He looks at Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, and sees western interventions that have resulted in anarchy. He foresees the same for Syria if the west sees toppling Assad, rather than combating Isis, as the priority.

It was possible, after what both Barack Obama and Putin said at the UN, to divine some shifting towards a sliver of common ground. Obama said Russia (and Iran) could be involved and hinted at some flexibility about the timing of Assad’s departure. Putin allowed that Assad might eventually go. Those verbal nuances have been lost in the sudden outbreak of competitive air strikes.

It is just possible that the US-Russia military talks, now agreed, and the small hints of convergence over Assad could produce a cooperative approach. The alternative – the risk of a US-Russia military clash over Syria by accident – cannot be what either Moscow or Washington wants.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: putin; syria

1 posted on 10/01/2015 9:24:42 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Funny, Putin seems fine with disassembling the neighboring state of Ukraine, a nation Russia has waged war on with its little green men, a nation that he has brought anarchy to.


2 posted on 10/01/2015 9:27:55 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: RummyChick

The only thing the US cares about is how will this help fight global warming, and what effect will this all have on transgender rights.


3 posted on 10/01/2015 9:28:25 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chris37
From the NY Times

4 posted on 10/01/2015 9:30:00 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

What Putin wants is to control the Middle East, and Obama is perfectly willing to let him.


5 posted on 10/01/2015 9:30:02 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: RummyChick

“Putin wants to preserve Syria”

I don’t really know if that is accurate. It’s murky.


6 posted on 10/01/2015 9:31:12 AM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
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To: RummyChick

I am shocked that the NYTimes put up a cartoon about Obama and Putin putting Putin as World Leader


7 posted on 10/01/2015 9:34:13 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: TBP

It doesn’t take a “Nostradamus” to see where this is going. Before this is over, Iran, with Russian and Chinese support, will invade Saudi Arabia and seize the Saudi oil fields. With Russia and Iran in control of most of the world’s developed oil reserves, they can not only say, “Death to America,” but they can then make it happen, and who do we have to blame for this? We have no one to blame but ourselves, for it was us who voted politicians into office, both Democrat and Republican, who could be bought by the Saudis through campaign contributions and outright bribes to prevent the development of our own oil reserves. We will soon be dependent on oil reserves controlled by our enemies, who will not hesitate to use this dependence to destroy us.

Once our oil supply is interrupted, our economy could collapse. If our economy can no longer provide for the 47% of our population who refuse to provide for themselves but depend on “Free Stuff” in exchange for their vote, our population could fragment and slide into the abyss violence and racial hatred.

Putin, the chess player that he is, knows that Obama, an impotent homosexual, doesn’t have the courage to prevent him from taking control of the Middle East, and by the time Obama is out of office in 2017, it’ll be too late.

As was said in the old Chinese curse, “May you live in interesting times,” we now live in interesting times.


8 posted on 10/01/2015 9:43:45 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: RummyChick
by AF branco

9 posted on 10/01/2015 9:44:17 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
I am shocked that the NYTimes put up a cartoon about Obama and Putin putting Putin as World Leader

Too little too late.

10 posted on 10/01/2015 9:45:58 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain
Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

This quote certainly rings true... He looks at Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, and sees western interventions that have resulted in anarchy. He foresees the same for Syria if the west sees toppling Assad, rather than combating Isis, as the priority.

I only wish Obama's USA had the same commitment to Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

11 posted on 10/01/2015 9:46:17 AM PDT by norton
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To: RummyChick

This man tried to warn us.

12 posted on 10/01/2015 9:46:24 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: norton

13 posted on 10/01/2015 9:48:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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I suppose he is trying to “preserve” Georgia, Ukraine, and now Syria, in addition to threats against others...

All for preservation!

Bwahahahahaha!


14 posted on 10/01/2015 9:48:54 AM PDT by Cold Heat (For Rent....call 1-555-tagline)
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To: DJ Taylor

The USA contracted a terminal case of stupidity.


15 posted on 10/01/2015 9:49:05 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: RummyChick

If it were not for Russia’s close ties to Iran, a person could almost cheer what they are doing in Syria. But that casts severe doubt on it all, even though Putin is probably correct that the surivival of Syria is the only thing preventing Islamic State from controlling a much larger area of the Middle East.


16 posted on 10/01/2015 10:00:15 AM PDT by Will88
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To: RummyChick

Presuming the “Free Syrians” aren’t just ISIS or Taliban, how long would they stand up against ISIS once they were able to defeat Assad?

I’d say its highly likely that ISIS has been playing Obama like a fiddle.

It the Russian bombs are falling on Muslims, then there is a very high probability that they are killing our enemies.


17 posted on 10/01/2015 10:01:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: chris37
terminal case of stupidity

....and paranoia:

Just for shits and giggles, Putin should give a briefing on the day's objectives and future strike operations and call out the Russian/Iranian/Chinese/Assad organization as:

Ground Operations Group (GOG), and the Navy/Marine detachment at Tartus and Latakia as:Marine Assault General Operations Group (MAGOG).

Watch heads explode......or the world.

18 posted on 10/01/2015 10:44:46 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: RummyChick
Bull! This is about KGB Vlad's desire to reconstitute the USSR! Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq,and soon Cuba (With nuke missiles this time) and soon, bite by bite, Eastern Europe, followed by Western Europe.

Can ANY& of you POSSIBLY imagine the kind of war these incompetent pacifists in the Administration will conduct in the next year and a half???

MARK MY WORDS! THIS ADMINISTRATION'S COWARDICE AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS WILL GET THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN'S KILLED AND WILL REVERBERATE FOR THE NEXT FEW HUNDRED YEARS!!

19 posted on 10/01/2015 10:46:31 AM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (How can God bless a country that's BUTCHERED 53 million babies?? Almost as many as ALL killed inWWII)
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