Posted on 09/16/2015 7:10:46 AM PDT by VinL
Have you read the whole thread? There are even some (s)Trumpets that believe that Cruz is GOP(e). I believe he will even Flip Flop on his core plank of immigration. Until he gets a record of consistent principles, I don't think he can be trusted.
Uh, you were talking about trade when bringing up Cruz’s TPA votes.
But sure let’s discuss immigration.
Ted Cruz:
Opposed Gang of 8 legislation
Opposes any path to citizenship
Opposes guest worker status being granted to illegals
Wants a wall built
Wants to triple the size of the Border Patrol
Authored the Senate version of Kate’s law
Has said that he will instruct the DoJ to prosecute sanctuary city officials for violations of Federal law
Argued for—and won— Texas rights to secure its own border.
I’m continually flabbergasted by the assertions that Cruz is not conservative enough for some on FR.
Barring the second coming of our Lord Christ, I don’t know how some can ever be happy.
These folks would have gone after Reagan....
The circular firing squad goes into high gear every 4 years!
Oh, I know.
It’s why I try my best to refrain from personal attacks or grudge holding. In 2017 we’ll all be just FReepers again.
With citizenship comes the right to bring family members to the USA too. Right now there are at least 25 million illegal here. If those 25 mil only bring over 2 family members that is 75 million new Marxist voters. With 25-75 million new Marxist voters conservationism is dead in the USA. I find it incredible that conservatives would even take a chance on this. If you want to save the country, the constitution and conservative values there is only one candidate that might be able to pull that off and that candidate is not Ted Cruz.
Conservatives should have gone after Reagan before Reagan signed the 86 amnesty bill. The 86 amnesty bill is why immigration is the mess that it is today.
That’s a wonderfully reasoned argument...based on an unproven opening statement. Look at Cruz’s answers in the Texas primary. He attacked his opponent for supporting guest worker status for illegals.
Also, by your reasoning (that eventual Democrat control of the government at some future date would lead to citizenship for all of the hypothetical legalized illegals) would be true under Trump’s plan as well. Trump has said that his wall “should have a door” so legal workers and immigrants can come in. He has further stated:
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
(Source: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform)
No where in there does it say that guest workers who violate immigration laws will be deported with no ability to return. Furthermore, no where in there is any guarantee that those who broke the law but have some form of legal “status” under immigration code would be denied citizenship.
If you are going to insist upon parsing every candidate’s position on immigration, please do so unilaterally.
You should know that Trump actively supported H1-B visas and temporary worker visas for his companies.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55bc2c8ee4b06363d5a2615f
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Mr. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.
From your link:
Senator Cruz’s campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier told us Cruz’s goal in the Gang of Eight amendment was three fold: to get Senators on the record showing where they stood on the issue, that it was a good faith effort to improve the bill, and to stop a pathway to citizenship. Frazier explained it was not intended to suggest support for legalization.
“Cruz supports strengthening the border and fixing our legal immigration and interior enforcement systems before we deal with those who are here illegally,” Frazier said. “It’s premature to discuss what to do with those who are still here illegally until we have made these reforms. Indicating that there may be the potential for amnesty in the future, only encourages more illegal immigration.”
Why would Cruz introduce an amendment that would deny citizenship to the lawbreakers if his intention was to deport them? It is clear from his NYT statement that this would not affect the issuance of work permits to the lawbreakers, i.e., an amnesty that allows them to stay and work here. Citizenship is just the cherry on top.
Cruz, Walker, and a number of others now have a new response. Secure the border and then we can decide what to do with the lawbreakers. It is a cop out. Trump says they must leave with sometimes qualifying it that we would let the "good: or "wonderful" ones come back. The GOPe favors amnesty even if they call it legalization or an earned path to citizenship. It is amnesty by any other name. And when you reward something, you get more of it.
And from your article the Cruz aide makes this horrendous statement:
Frazier reiterated Senator Cruz’s consistency on the issue, that the Senator is in favor of expanding legal immigration, and that he vocally opposes President Obama’s executive immigration overreach.
Isn't it enough that we take in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year, 640,000 guest workers annually, and 75,000 refugees a year? We have the lowest labor participation rates in 38 years. We have fewer native born Americans working today than we had in 2000 despite the fact that the native born made up two thirds of the increase in the work force. Immigrants, legal and illegal are taking American jobs and depressing wages. And Cruz wants more foreign workers. Insane.
I have been working for eight years on the immigration issue as a member of a grassroots organization lobbying on the Hill. I know all of the ways the politicians try to hide their positions on immigration using words to disguise and fool people. I have watched Cruz since he was debating in the Texas senatorial race. He has always parsed his words when dealing with immigration and in particular, how to handle the 12 to 30 million illegal aliens here. I don't trust him on immigration. And I doubt he would ever build a wall.
We need a political leader outside the corrupt political system that has seen two parties morph into one. Corporate and special interests run this country. All of the politiicans are bought and paid for.
Well then I guess we’re at an impasse. You’ve made up your mind that you don’t trust any politician on immigration, even when confronted with their record that does what you ask for. You instead choose to support a man who has hired guest workers and supported politicians who have done the opposite of what you want.
Just understand that every time you post incorrect statements about Cruz, I will be there to refute them. Not because I hope to change your mind—that is obviously a lost cause— but to make sure that those FReepers who are still choosing their candidate have all of the facts.
FRegards.
I fully agree with your assessment. Our difference is that I think the man for the job is Cruz, not Trump. Who stood alone in the halls of the Senate fighting all that you mention?
I posted facts. You just can’t accept them.
talking about LOL!....are your trying to defend your position???...seriously..Cruz the insider???....36yrs????
I was not impressed by the executive experience of Cruz in the USG.
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