Random Thoughts on Trump and the GOP in general (vanity)

(none) | 09/12/2015 | (self)

[SuzyQue]

Godebert, did he require naturalization to become a citizen, or was he born a citizen?

[txhurl]

bttt

[Kid Shelleen]

Well said FRiend; Here is an interesting historical tidbit for you:
Speaking towards your comment, "Democrats literally HATE THIS COUNTRY".
While Ted Kennedy rightfully gets most of blame for the 1965 Immigration Act, Eugene McCarthy was a co-sponsor of that bill. What you never hear or read is that McCarthy deeply regretted his support for the bill.

Eugene McCarthy - Wikipedia
Along with Ted Kennedy, McCarthy was one of the original co-sponsors of the Immigration Act of 1965. He later regretted this, noting that "unrecognized by virtually all of the bill's supporters, were provisions which would eventually lead to unprecedented growth in numbers and the transfer of policy control from the elected representatives of the American people to individuals wishing to bring relatives to this country". Taking a turn to the right, McCarthy became a member of the Board of Advisors of the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

[BobL]

“I apologize to those I have offended on this forum. If Trump does end up winning the nomination I will vote for him, and will vote for him more readily than voting for McCain or Romney.”

This is MY THREAD and you sure as hell are NOT offending me. Makes perfect sense - I think we all think the same for Cruz. Right now he wouldn’t get anywhere trying to take down Trump...ask Perry or Ms. Gram how that feels. Cruz is wisely laying low. I doubt that Cruz even has an end game, given that Trump is so far off the map of conventional wisdom that no one can predict a damn thing. But Cruz is leaving his options open...proving he is the smartest man in the room (other than possibly Trump...where his biggest so-called screw-ups still leave the rest of the field gasping for media coverage and thus wondering whether they were really screw-ups or instead were brilliant moves).

It’s funny - three months ago there were 17 or so candidates (declared and not yet declared) and it was obvious that the GOPe candidate was Bush, and possibly Rubio as backup. The party didn’t want anything to do with the rest of the pack. Now with Trump lapping the field, we still have 17 candidates (ignoring Perry), and the GOPe now loves 16 of them, all but Trump.

Trump scares them so much that they are now jumping on to Carson’s bandwagon to try to stop him - but Carson, like Cain 4 years ago, and Perry every day of his life, is simply not prepared to run at this level.

It is entertaining!

[Godebert]

"Godebert, did he require naturalization to become a citizen, or was he born a citizen?"

He required naturalization by positive law (Man's Law).

Cruz was granted Citizenship under U.S. Code 8 Section 1401:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

A natural born Citizen is a Citizen by the laws of nature (Natural Law) and needs no law made by man to confer Citizenship.

[Sans-Culotte]

Some good points. So far, Trump has been a one-issue candidate. However, When one considers the invasion of our country from the south, and the impending invasions from the mideast; that one issue (immigration) appears more and more to be the most important issue.

[BobL]

“Some good points. So far, Trump has been a one-issue candidate. However, When one considers the invasion of our country from the south, and the impending invasions from the mideast; that one issue (immigration) appears more and more to be the most important issue.”

Agree, we lose this one issue, and nothing else will matter. We’ll simply be outvoted by Democrats for generations. Win this issue, we live another day, and can fight for the rest of our issues.

Kind of like Dec. 7, 1941. People didn’t respond to FDR by saying something like: “All good and fine that you want to fight the Japs and the Germans, but what are you doing to expand the School Lunch Program in Winona, Wisconsin?”

In other words, if it’s important enough, you fight one battle at a time.

[SuzyQue]

I think this may be/have become a distinction without a difference. Cruz was a citizen at birth and did not require naturalization. Unless and until Congress decides to address that issue, he is an eligible candidate.

[SteveAustin]

Have a good friend who voted Obama in 2008 and Romney in 2012. But the reason he voted Obama in 2008 was the economic and market collapse. Felt that W Bush pretty much sold out a lot of the country in favor of his big business buddies. Can’t say I disagreed with him then or now.

[Godebert]

"I think this may be/have become a distinction without a difference. Cruz was a citizen at birth and did not require naturalization. Unless and until Congress decides to address that issue, he is an eligible candidate."

Under our Constitution, Congress only has the power of Naturalization (ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 4).

A natural born Citizen needs no act of congress to establish his Citizenship.

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Excellent, excellent work. You are exactly right that “the math” behind amnesty makes no sense. Even the “30 year” aspect doesn’t make any sense, because we know for a fact that illegal aliens to the extent that they become citizens and bring in their relatives as well, will be straight ticket Democrats for at least a generation or two. But you laid it all out there very clearly, well done!

[x]

Trump won't get 25% of the Black vote. Breaking 15%, though, is very good for a Republican, and he could do that.

Also, the Latino vote is getting more spread out than it used to be. In a close election, they could decide some of the swing states.

With Trump, it's about personality. Of course, just about anybody you could call GOPe doesn't trust him and thinks he'll crash and burn (faster or more disastrously than another candidate or president would), but so do a lot of people who aren't members of an elite or Establishment by any stretch of the imagination.

[x]

It not about Trump the man....

For you, maybe, but if it's about Trump the man for enough people, then it is about Trump the man.

[BobL]

“Trump won’t get 25% of the Black vote. Breaking 15%, though, is very good for a Republican, and he could do that.”

The 25% number was from a poll last week. Maybe an outlier, but don’t underestimate him, nor overestimate the what the Democrats are trying to are trying to saddle blacks with as a candidate.

As to Latinos, any sub-group can, of course, decide elections, but if you can move the majority of voters a few points in one direction, you get a LOT MORE bang for your buck...mainly because you never know which sub-group is needed where - but move 70% of the electorate our way, and the small groups are not needed.

“With Trump, it’s about personality.”
Perhaps, but not on this site. People here got attracted to him because he is the FIRST CANDIDATE to lay out a clear plan for dealing with Illegals - rather than offering some form of Amnesty, increased H1B’s, or meaningless words - like ‘secure the border’. If you don’t believe me, ask the people here.

[SuzyQue]

You sorta missed my point.

[Godebert]

Enlighten me.

[Art in Idaho]

Great points BobL!

Bears repeating:

“Trump has a single-spaced, 6 page, policy paper on immigration, yet others complain that he has no specifics.”

“Trump is polling better with women than men. Trump is at 25% of the black vote, the highest for a national Republican in at least 2 generations. Trump is holding his ground with Hispanics.” “Romney got 59% of the white vote in 2012, while getting only 30% of the Hispanic vote. If he got 61% of the white vote, it would have been just as many extra votes as instead hitting 45% of the Hispanic vote . Trump is already there, as he's giving white, working class people a reason to support him.”

“Most Hispanic voters are in states that have pre-defined outcomes.” . . “Florida is the only competitive major state with a large number of Hispanics and most of them are Cubans, which have voting patterns completely different than other Hispanics.”

“Looking at the above numbers, a reasonable question for a Republican leader to ask might be why are Republicans getting such a low share of the vote from their natural base, when there is so much room for improvement there, and considering that whites are still more than 70% of American voters.”

“. . if the Republicans had reached just 70% in 2012, Romney's 4 point loss in that election would have been a 14 point landslide for him, as whites still comprised almost 74% of the voting populace that year.” “. . raising the Republican percentage of the white to 70% will still mean Republican victories for the next 20 years.”

“And speaking of the white vote, Republicans did win 75% to 89% of the white vote in the South in 2014 (percentages varied by state), and while whites in the south are certainly more conservative than elsewhere, 70% as a national target is not unreasonable. As a side note, Republicans also won 40-45 of the Hispanic vote in the South.”

“I suspect that for every Hispanic vote flipped from Democrat to Republican because of support for Amnesty, 5 white Republican voters stay home.”

And from BobL’s about page: (July 3, 2015) “And now life gets interesting as Donald Trump enters the race and makes no bones about Illegals. He gets killed in the media and by big business (Macy's, Serta, and likely many others)...the same types of operations all too willing to step on conservative values when it comes to just about every other social issue. But he connects, because he, more than anyone, has tapped into the WHITE VOTE ..and he may well unify it. Should that be the case, the election is already over...he will not lose.”

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