2030...sounds about right...the next ice age should be freezing everything...
Suns magnetic field in decline
No sunspots for you
Video here
Bow hinting skills mandatory:
Posted on 08/06/2015 2:55:30 PM PDT by george76
Obama is petty and vengeful.
At this point, anything with the words "Green Energy" might as well be read as "Screw the Middle Class".
After being shot down by the court, Obama's Green Energy plan has risen from the grave meaner and nastier than ever. First of all it's been retooled to hit Republican states hardest.
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Behind the euphemisms, the Thug-in-Chief is doing his usual petty bit by lashing out at opponents while seeking to punish them. And backed in is a Carbon Tax plan, which will save the planet by enriching a handful of billionaires and rip you off in order to create a "marketplace" for ripping off the middle class.
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the final EPA rule now explicitly says states can use "fees" (i.e., taxes) as a tool for meeting their emissions-cutting requirements. That's on page 899 of the massive 1,560-page rule.
You have to pass it to know how badly it's going to hurt you. The details just might be buried on page 899.
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The Niskanen Center is a "libertarian" think tank staffed by Cato Center veterans that spends its time pushing amnesty for illegal aliens and a carbon tax.
Carbon taxes don't guarantee emissions cuts...
They're not supposed to reduce "emissions". They're supposed to take money from the middle class and put it in the pockets of liberal billionaires.
(Excerpt) Read more at frontpagemag.com ...
The FRAUD continues.
“Carbon” is NOT the issue.
They are targeting Carbon Dioxide.
Carbon Dioxide is NOT a pollutant.
Carbon Dioxide IS an essential element to life.
Higher levels of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere does NOT lead to Global Warming.
Global Warming is a predictor of increases in CO2 and is a leading indicator by about 85 years.
No Congressman wrote that 1560 page rule. No bureaucrat wrote it, either. Nor did the lobbyists on K street.
That rule was written in Beijing and Riyadh, and sent over to their hired environmental lobbyists who disguise themselves as “Greenpeace,” “the Sierra Club” and “Natural Resources Defense Council,” who passed it on to the EPA and from there to 0bama’s desk.
A 1560 page edict, chocked full of new jobs for Federal bureaucrats and nasty surprises for American industry. My guess is that the Chinese see this as the best chance they will ever have to destroy the American chemical industry, the last industry of international stature we have left. And this rule will do exactly that.
Total snowjob.
2030...sounds about right...the next ice age should be freezing everything...
Suns magnetic field in decline
No sunspots for you
Video here
Bow hinting skills mandatory:
DC is surrounded by major coal producing states. Maybe all of the coal miners should take a short trip over to DC to express their anger at the policies of the current _resident and his lackeys and cronies.
That being said, I’ve heard that an underground coal fire is difficult, if not impossible to put out.
The goal of the _resident, and his lackeys and cronies, is not to permanently shut down coal production, but to bankrupt them, and then sell the industry off to the highest foreign bidder.
Most people don’t realize just how lucrative it is (outside of the free traitor crowd) to run companies into the ground, and then re-package them and sell them off to foreign interests.
The chinese have dollar$ to burn, and are on a US buying spree. Coal, oil, minerals, and raw industrial materials are some of their favorite foreign investments.
Expect some mines to be bought out by the chinese in the near future, for pennies on the dollar.
You got it. Once the EPA serves the Chicoms’ purpose in destroying American industry, watch them gobble up our untapped reserves. There are massive deposits of gold, silver and rare metals in Alaska and Minnesota just waiting to be tapped. But those projects are tied up by the EOA and the usual environazi suspects. Once the Chinese own the rights to these deposits, those organizations objecting to their exploitation will somehow see their funding dry up, the EPA will give the Chinese the green light, and the ore will flow across the Pacific.
We will become a 3rd World extractive economy.
2 days after The Won declared war again on coal fired power plants, a national headline stated that COAL FIRED power units are down another 27% in pollution.
Cap N Tax is working great in California, right?
They got $4 gas and we got $2 gas.
“DC is surrounded by major coal producing states. Maybe all of the coal miners should take a short trip over to DC to express their anger at the policies of the current _resident and his lackeys and cronies.”
Most coal miners are union members. A lot of them lost their jobs due to Obama, and a lot more who didn’t are about to lose their jobs.
But a majority of them will still vote for the Democrat nominee. It’s called “cognitive dissonance,” or for the Biblically inclined, “hardened hearts” - same thing.
They are changing Carbon Dioxide to Carbon Pollution. Watch in the next several weeks how this morphs into something huge.
Thanks, best post of the week. I am absolutely disgusted after reading the free traitors on here this last week pushing for exporting our oil and natural gas, even after reading about Obama’s new plan to destroy America and drive up energy prices.
Who owns the oil and gas that you refer to as “our oil and natural gas”? I’m pretty sure I don’t own any of it. Though my family did have some coal in KY and they would gladly export anything they could dig up. But if you and some others on this forum own oil and gas then by all means sell it , or not, to whoever you like.
You tell me, as as far as I’m concerned we all own our countries natural resources. I was under the impression it was currently against the law to export it, by Government fiat if nothing else, correct me if I’m wrong.
LNG Exports: A Win for Europe and for America
http://billjohnson.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398570
There is a current congressional push to do so, obviously. This shows the chamber of commerce republicans are on board. So we are not only going to export it (converted), we’re going to run the power plants in the red states off natural gas too. Same old song and dance from you free traitors, it’s good for the consumers to have cheap prices from imports, killing off whole industries, but it’s fine to export America’s energy sources and drive up prices for consumers. Hypocrites all. My father drove a coal truck down the side of a mountain in KY when I was a lad, you want to preach to me about coal. Tell me about how the fracking boom in my state has translated to lower consumer natural gas prices, go ahead.
If I own it explain to me how I can sell it. The only reason there is any consideration given to exporting oil and gas is because of its abundant supply due to the fracking boom. That boom occurred primarily on privately owned land (or is Obama opening government controlled land to fracking?) and has been funded by private capital.
So the oil and gas belong to the people who took the risk, plunked down their money and their land. I do not consider it mine or yours or ours it is their’s. It’s called private property for a reason and private property owners can do with their property as they please.
What else should have export restrictions? Steel, plastics, ag goods, coal, timber?
Have you looked at natural gas prices? They are at historical lows so yes fracking has lowered the price of natural gas even in KY.
To the extent there is any coal industry left it is being propped up by the exports that are fueling it. I’m pretty sure every miner in KY would like to see higher coal prices or would coal miners pass up work so that “our” coal could stay in the ground?
Why should anyone invest in the oil and gas industry if they don’t own their investment?
Obama is going to be the most thoroughly hated ex president ever. The rest of his life will be something to watch
It ain’t about clean air.
It’s about access to money, power, and last, but not least,
the revolution.
Onward comrades, workers of the world unite!!!
IMHO
It’s just as much for our countries consumption as it is Ukraines.
Thirty applications for LNG exports for trading with non free trade countries, oh I get it.
“Have you looked at natural gas prices?”
Yes, historical lows my eye. Ohio numbers below.
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/hist/n3010oh3A.htm
low 1967 .86 dollars per thousand cubic feet
Peak Hi 2008 14.53
1967-1969 average .86
1970’s average 1.60
1980’s average 5.24
1990’s average 5.81
2000-2009 average 11.27
2010-2014 (last data set) average 10.28
The last year on chart shows trending upward.
Ohio’s power plants are run on coal for the most part, but our electric bills continue to increase. Well, maybe you’ve stumbled on the reason, coal exports.
I’m all for Americans having higher wages, which have been stagnant for decades.
I’ll have to say those of us who have worked in industry are tired of being stuck between the chamber of commerce republicans and the communist democrats. One who would sell there own mother to make a buck and the other has full intention to destroy all that’s left of industry in this country. And I read post by freepers that we’re doing fine without manufacturing. One recent “tell” is their now going to go after airline pollution. We’re being sold out on a daily basis.
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