Posted on 08/01/2015 11:09:02 AM PDT by TXnMA
>> just isn’t going to happen <<
A Carrington Event WILL happen sooner or later. It’s inevitable.
“Which is still a trivial amount. Lightening bolts generate more than that. We don’t have panic and chaos concerning lightening bolts”
There is a big difference between lightning and EMP. Lightning is spectral low frequency. It’s also a point source and decays with the square of distance. An emp is not like that (I’ll tell you why if you want to know)
Lightning strikes do lots of damage but can also be protected against effectively. It’s the same with an emp. It’s just a much bigger problem in scope and size.
Lightning protection does very little to limit emp energy for the most part.
>> Why not simply duplicate all the big transformers and station the across the nation in secured underground metal lined ‘Faraday’ vaults for future use. <<
I think that’s one of the important steps Jim Woolsey and others advocate. But so far, Congress has totally failed its responsibility to act.
It’s about power range. Yes a kiloton bomb can make an EMP wave, but it’s weak in close and basically non-existent very quickly. To actually take out electronics, at 619KM from the blast (horizon from 30KM up) takes a high end nuclear device. Even most of the countries that have nukes don’t have nukes that big, and even most of the nukes they have that big can’t be operated that high up.
I AM using easily obtained facts to argue. The facts say all the people worried about EMPs from 3rd world holes like Iran are quite simply being silly.
>> This is not new news; how long ago was it that we tested nukes over the Pacific? <<
Good point. I was working on nuke-related matters back in 1966-67, and the disastrous effects of EMP were very much under discussion at the time.
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Pakistan and NK can’t get items that far up.
“Only 3 times higher than airliners” is actually pretty extremely high. You’re deep in the area where you need to provide oxygen to the propellant.
Iran has had plenty of money for a long time. If Russia and China were going to sell them nukes and missiles they already would have. The Iraqi food for oil program already showed us which countries give a damn about sanctions, and they were on the list.
Given that in the end there’s nothing you can do about it and all paranoia on this is pointless it’s not about betting your life, it’s about not raising your blood pressure for no good reason. Worry about things that A - might actually happen, and B - you can actually fix. Life’s too short to fret about things that won’t happen.
We had one 3 years ago. But it missed. Space is big. Earth is actually pretty small.
“Yes a kiloton bomb can make an EMP wave, but it’s weak in close and basically non-existent very quickly.”
Not true.
Did you know that a 10kt nuke device generates 80% or more of the emp field strength as a 100kt device?
A 1kt device is around 60%-70%.
Device gamma yield is what matters, and the emp effect is remarkably non-linear.
It’s a fact. You can check it.
Actually the fact is that the EMP yield is more EFFICIENT at smaller bombs but a bigger bomb:
The EMP at a fixed distance from an explosion increases at most as the square root of the yield (see the illustration to the right). This means that although a 10 kiloton weapon has only 0.7% of the energy release of the 1.44-megaton Starfish Prime test, the EMP will be at least 8% as powerful. Since the E1 component of nuclear EMP depends on the prompt gamma ray output, which was only 0.1% of yield in Starfish Prime but can be 0.5% of yield in low yield pure nuclear fission weapons, a 10 kiloton bomb can easily be 5 x 8% = 40% as powerful as the 1.44 megaton Starfish Prime at producing EMP.
But you’re still going to get more EMP from a bigger bomb. You’re just fighting diminishing returns. Which is yet another reason why it’s just not going to happen.
“But you’re still going to get more EMP from a bigger bomb. You’re just fighting diminishing returns. “
You are spouting details you look up on Wikipedia. You have no grasp of the physics involved. You are actually arguing settled science- the e1 energy generated from a certain gamma yield weapon. You also do not understand the underlying physics of how gamma yield creates an RF pulse.
You’re at the point where you should stop posting nonsense and listen to the folks on the thread who know something and/or as intelligent questions.
You are so ill informed that you confuse well-meaning folks who want to learn.
Notice all you’re doing anymore is attacking the person. Not the facts. So since we both know you’re wrong, have a nice day.
I thought blocking capacitors only worked on DC circuits.
“Notice all you’re doing anymore is attacking the person. Not the facts. So since we both know you’re wrong, have a nice day.”
The APA published a study. In it they found that some people are too far down on the cognitive capability scale that they truly cannot know what they do not know, so they conclude that they must be right, even though the tools and resources are available to educate them.
Don’t be that guy.
Look you told me it was a fact and I could check. I did check. And found you were wrong. And now you’re attacking me. If you’re going to encourage people to check your work you should do so yourself. And if there’s somebody in this thread that too far down on the cognitive capability scale it would be the one that now is going exclusively for personal attacks.
A capacitor will block dc current on a power transmission line caused by a solar storm GIC. They are commonly used at high latitudes. Quebec hydro uses them, for instance. They are BIG capacitors, but they do the job
“Look you told me it was a fact and I could check. I did check. And found you were wrong.”
You checked the wrong thing.
I checked the right thing. I can tell by how you react. You’re wrong. You actually proved it. Congrats. Now be a man about it.
So if these capacitors were at the intersection of power lines and state boarders, they would do a good job of mitigating the long haul transmission of the EMP pulse?
I understand that BIG capacitors are not cheap. Would you be willing to venture a guess as to how much they cost?
>> We had one 3 years ago. But it missed <<
No, we didn’t have a Carrington Event then. What you’re referring to was a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) that missed the Earth. It would have qualified as a Carrington Event only if it had actually hit us head-on.
But another Carrington Event is bound to happen SOME day, maybe in the next 10 years, maybe in the next 100 years or longer. And if we don’t take adequate steps before then to mitigate its effects, it well might bring our entire electricity-dependent civilization to an end.
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