Posted on 07/11/2015 6:10:33 AM PDT by Kaslin
Second rule of life. Don't eat where you....
If you want to be a hermit, hate the power company and want to live "off the grid" you can make your own power with a homemade combination system with storage. It works just fine.
None of the above works in a power-utility system.
Pls, how do we get rid of ethanol fuel? It has ruined several small engines and my 1990 ford truck. Cost fortune to fix. Do we write to our worthless representatives?
BTW, who was responsible...the EPA or the politicians?
The problem with this technology is that the bio-engineered ecoli bacteria that they use to fernent the 5 carbon sugars is not (or was not) as robust as the naturally occurring bacterias and was being killed off unless they first hydrolized the feed stock. They worked hard to make the ecoli more robust so vs. the naturally occurring bacteria. But if they ever get it so that it is so robust that it can compete and survive outside the four walls of the lab/pilot plant, it just might start in on eating the grass and trees and completely denude the planet.
When contacting politicians to register opposition to the Renewable Fuels Standard, keep it short and do not recite arguments such as seen on FR. Factual errors are easy to make on such a topic, and such errors will make the politician take your opposition far less seriously.
Unless you're a steer or a hog, the corn being converted into ethanol is NOT "your food." It is NOT sweet corn, but hybrid FEED corn made for livestock consumption.
When the sugars are extracted in the ethanol process, the proteins and many of the cellulose starches remain. Thus, the "byproduct" of corn ethanol (called "distiller's dark grain") still has value as an animal feed.
The stories about ethanol eating rubber seals and other fuel-line components hasn't been true since synthetic rubbers were substituted for neoprene decades ago. Read your car's owner's manual; it specifically states that ethanol fuels will not harm engine components.
The money being paid to farmers for ethanol corn stays in the United States, especially in the conservative Midwest, where most of the corn is grown, instead of being shipped overseas to Arabs who hate our guts and use our own money to kill us.
Does ethanol drive up the price of livestock feed and consequently the cost of meat? Yes. Does it reduce mileage? Yes. Does it require government subsidies? Yes. All those things suck. But it's important to sort the myths from the truth.
Unless you're a steer or a hog, the corn being converted into ethanol is NOT "your food." It is NOT sweet corn, but hybrid FEED corn made for livestock consumption.
When the sugars are extracted in the ethanol process, the proteins and many of the cellulose starches remain. Thus, the "byproduct" of corn ethanol (called "distiller's dark grain") still has value as an animal feed.
The stories about ethanol eating rubber seals and other fuel-line components hasn't been true since synthetic rubbers were substituted for neoprene decades ago. Read your car's owner's manual; it specifically states that ethanol fuels will not harm engine components.
The money being paid to farmers for ethanol corn stays in the United States, especially in the conservative Midwest, where most of the corn is grown, instead of being shipped overseas to Arabs who hate our guts and use our own money to kill us.
Does ethanol drive up the price of livestock feed and consequently the cost of meat? Yes. Does it reduce mileage? Yes. Does it require government subsidies? Yes. All those things suck. But it's important to sort the myths from the truth.
You buy AVgas, racing fuel or marine fuel and put it in your tank as an additive.
It has ruined several small engines and my 1990 ford truck.
It doesn't "ruin engines" it dissolves gum and varnish from tanks and dissolves rubber fuel system parts.
Cost fortune to fix.
You just take the carburetor apart, clean it and replace rubber parts with neoprene. It's not rocket science.
Do we write to our worthless representatives?
Yes. Especially those in the majority. Especially TEApublicans.
BTW, who was responsible...the EPA or the politicians?
Yes, plus the Ethanol/Corn lobbyists.
Every government program that is designed to combat man caused global warming is a scheme to corruptly separate more taxpayers from their wages to enrich politicians and their cronies. It’s just a given.
Really? The amount of fossil fuel required to produce 1 gallon of ethanol is 1.4 gallons not including transportation. Ethanol is a net loss, big time. All tolled the economic net loss is huge, aside from production issues, lower MPG, fuel system destruction, ethanol absorbs water contributing to corrosion both in delivery systems and vehicles, early retirement of vehicles for said problems requiring remanufacture that contributes carbon, fertilizer runoff contributing to huge dead zones and algae blooms in the gulf of Baja and Mexico among other areas.
There are very few upsides to ethanol production the way it’s done in this country. Therefore DON”T BURN YOUR FOOD! That land could be put into production for food crops, especially now that the San Joaquin and Imperial valleys are virtually fallow, or do you like buying you food from 3rd world countries as we were with our fossil fuels that provided the reasoning behind ethanol production ( instead of utilizing our own resources due to progressive policies). I could go on but I hope you get the picture. DON”T BURN YOUR FOOD!
i do small engine repair,it will eat up alummiun parts an leave a white residue and i think it is sugar,what ever it is you can ruin a carb just trying to get it apart.
I have run tests in the past on my own vehicles and found that, all else being equal, the ones I have owned get about eight percent LOWER MPG on ten percent ethanol compared to straight gasoline. This means that if you could filter out the ten percent ethanol and use it for lamp fuel or something you would go nearly as far on the remaining gasoline as you can go on the gasoline PLUS the ethanol. So the ethanol is almost entirely useless, never mind all the other reasons not to mix it with gasoline. I have heard the same eight percent figure from many others who have run the test. Some report much worse results but I discount them I figure they either did not run a valid test or something else entered the picture. I don’t recall anyone saying they did not suffer a loss of mileage or had a drop of LESS than eight percent. As for the “flexfuel” vehicles that were supposed to run on eighty five percent ethanol I don’t think anyone ever ran more than a tank or two of that before switching to ten percent. I was involved in the campaign to stop the mandate of fifteen percent ethanol and I hope we don’t go totally mad and require that minimum, it would be a huge blow to what is left of the economy. I notice that there seems to be MORE straight gasoline available in my area now and I don’t see the E-85 everywhere now. We really need to kill this ethanol monster, it is one of the most absurdly stupid things that have ever been done on the Earth. We will never be able to recover the money that has been thrown down this rat hole and on top of it all it is far WORSE for the environment than not using ethanol at all ever was.
I pay $10 a gallon for 98 octane gas to run my chainsaws and other small power equipment.
Wow, do you really need 98 octane gas for your chain saws and other small small power equipment, or do just want to?
It's what they have. They do run well. I've thought of blending it with regular gas to make it go a little farther, but I tend to use it in spurts, so that sometimes I have to store it for months and I obviously don't want the ethanol to oxidize it. Believe it or not, racing gas is cheaper but it would definitely kill the saws. Damn it smells good though!
WOW. Thanks for that explanation. I have found a station four miles from my home that sells “pure” gas. I loaded up (twenty gallons) for use.
One more question: how long will this pure gas last in storage?
thx
So ethanol production is kinda like global warming, eh? Responsible for everything from rusty cars to algae blooms??? Wow! You’re right. I really need to rethink my support for it. </sarc>
Like the white residue on an outboard lower unit? The damage is probably caused by the water the alcohol has absorbed. It sucks it right out of the air.
A long time. Either type will last if in an airtight container, or your car's sealed tank. However, a small power equipment engine has a vent hole in the gas cap, best to run it out of gas when your done with it.
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