Posted on 07/05/2015 12:11:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
"I voted with my heart and also my mind," said Marie Triadafillou, who works in transportation logistics and voted yes. "I believe when you are in a union you cannot leave. We say in our country if the sheep leaves the flock it cannot live."
...Martin Schulz, the head of the European Parliament, who had offered at one point to come to Greece to campaign for a yes vote, said on Sunday that Greece would need to prepare to operate without the euro and with a parallel currency if there was a no vote on Sunday. While Greece would remain in the euro, it "will have to introduce another currency after the referendum because the euro is not available as a means of payment," he said in an interview broadcast Sunday on Germany's Deutschlandfunk radio. He added that he hoped the risk of such a change would induce Greeks to vote yes....
The French economy minister, Emmanuel Macron, on Sunday called on Greece's creditors to resume discussions with Athens immediately after the referendum, no matter the outcome, and warned against punishing Greece in the event of a no vote...
At a polling station in a middle-class Athens neighborhood, Baizar Tazerian, 76, said... "No, means that we don't have to say yes to whatever they are saying," ... At a polling station in a southern neighborhood of Athens, Pantiotis Andrikopoulos, 33, a student, said he planned to vote no "because I don't like being blackmailed by the E.U." He did not buy European arguments that a no vote meant Greeks wanted to leave the eurozone. "I'm for Europe but against the memorandum," he said, as he stood in a long line of people waiting to vote.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
[singing] alo-ha-oh-way, alo-ha-oh-way...
Live results Link
http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jul/05/live-results-greek-referendum
[snip] After Greece defaulted on a payment to the International Monetary Fund on Wednesday, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras signaled that he may accept bailout terms outlined by the country's creditors. [/snip] (from Greece isn’t the first nation to default on a sovereign debt)
Thanks!
It is confusing, to say the least, for us outsiders. It’s difficult to tell what ‘Yes or No’ really infer. In my limited view, I think that Greece should leave the EU. They are not ready or collectively willing to live up to any terms of austerity, or making good on their debts. I get the impression many Greeks just expect the national debt to be ignored and by passed, as the U.S. did for Mexico years ago.
33 year old student? There's the problem right there.
It will just get sheared over and over again.
Yep. Non working 33 year old student.
What could be wrong with this picture.
If they do that, they will not be able to import food, medicine, or oil, because they won’t have any money that foreigners will take.
They’ll have to eat goats and olives, burn wood, and use herbal infusions. This will be very unpleasant.
I just can’t grasp the thought process behind everyday Greek peoples’ actions here. It sounds as if they believe that a no vote means they keep their pensions and early retirement. It means anything but. The popular sentiment is opposite reality. It appears to me that they’re inadvertently doing the fiscally responsible thing under the mistaken belief that things will continue as they are, just with no mean old EU to boss them around? I can’t wrap my mind around it. Delusion. I feel for the everyday people caught up in this but it just makes no sense. I don’t think they’ll be allowed to starve but they’re in for a very rough time of it for years, no matter how things shake out.
“If they do that, they will not be able to import food, medicine, or oil, because they won’t have any money that foreigners will take.”
it will be difficult. They will do fine. Iran has survived all kinds of sanctions and difficulties.
Iran has a fungible commodity that is in high demand: oil. Greece has nothing, save tourism. And all this turmoil won't be good for business.
Greece has lots of oil reserves.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
The real question is ... who's next?
Hey cut him a break. African/Lesbian studies degrees are hard to come by you know. Thats a high demand field and he’s probably a great great grand senior. Or something.
Yay Greexico!
Maybe so, but it looks like little of it is being produced. The thing about oil, it takes WORK to get it moving - and work appears to be something that Greeks are not familiar with.
http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=gr&product=oil&graph=production
33 years old and still a student in a country where they retire in their 50’s.If he ever does work it will be for less than 20 years.
You really need to ask? It is US, just a matter of time...
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