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Bogus gun control successes: U.K. edition
americanthinker.com ^ | 7/4/2015 | Matt Palumbo

Posted on 07/04/2015 8:28:15 AM PDT by rktman

Back when he was still on the air, I would often perform an act of charity in doubling Piers Morgan’s ratings by tuning in to his show. When the topic of gun control would come up, and it did often, there was one argument that Piers would often bring up: that America has lax gun laws and plenty of gun homicides, while England and Wales have strong gun control and very few gun homicides. The argument at face value appears to have some validity – the U.S. has around 8,000 gun-related homicides, while England and Wales have about 60 combined.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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Hmmmm. Lies or just different methods of classifying crime statistics? Waiting for a particular someone from across the pond to weigh in. :>} Safe 4th everyone. Watch your 6.
1 posted on 07/04/2015 8:28:15 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

It is so successful there that Muslims are forced to use machetes to hack their soldiers apart on the streets.


2 posted on 07/04/2015 8:29:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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Hmmm. I thought they used meat cleavers. Sharp edged weapons have no place in civil society.


3 posted on 07/04/2015 8:31:13 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.


4 posted on 07/04/2015 8:32:01 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( "Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: rktman

My understanding is the statistic includes police shootings, in Britain they disarmed the police in large part.


5 posted on 07/04/2015 8:34:15 AM PDT by dila813
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To: rktman

Technically, it was a meat cleaver in that instance but it was described in some reports as “machete”....nevertheless, you are correct...:0)


6 posted on 07/04/2015 8:37:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: rktman

One thing Piers Morgan and his ilk fail to tell people about the United Kingdom’s experience with gun control is that it was not until about 1967 that a police permit was required to buy a standard shotgun. Before then, the laws pertaining to shotguns (and most other types of firearms) were very casual and crime (including homicide) was even lower than what it is today.

The police permit was introduced to divert public attention away from the British government’s abolition of the death penalty in 1965 followed by increased violence in Northern Ireland and a general upswing in violent crime overall.

I can remember reading in David Kopel’s book “The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy” him stating that the British government meted out the death penalty at a rate that would make Texas look soft on murderers right up until it was abolished.


7 posted on 07/04/2015 8:42:50 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("Keeping your stick down used to be a commandment, but not anymore" Harry Sinden, 1988)
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their gun crime rate was low...before gun control

I daresay it was, when Dr. Watson slipped his service revolver into his pocket and followed Holmes on a case.

8 posted on 07/04/2015 8:44:37 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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“Bogus gun control successes”

I had nothing to do with them!


9 posted on 07/04/2015 9:00:03 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To be fair, there were few handguns in England prior to gun control being implemented.


10 posted on 07/04/2015 9:03:15 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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What really matters is the number of homicides and violent crimes as a percentage of the total population. Different countries use different standards of classification for violent crimes. Also, if a violent crime is averted by the victim pulling his pistol and scaring away the criminal without firing a shot, that type of thing does not normally become part of the crime statistics.


11 posted on 07/04/2015 9:25:30 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Usually never reported and if it is, ignored. As the libs like to tell us, “There are NO defensive handgun/firearm uses ever in the entire country. EVER!” Yup. As we are all well aware now, people with guns just want to wave Johnny Reb flags and shoot black people. About the riots that DIDN’T happen in Charleston..............


12 posted on 07/04/2015 9:28:54 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Sherman Logan
A few days ago, a British newspaper had an article titled:
"Fears of imminent British terror attack as police see surge in smuggled submachine guns" Exprss.co.uk Jul 1, 2015
Outside of the nonsense about the weapons firing one thousand rounds a second, the article does show that the Brits can't control the import of firearms. All they did was take guns from honest subjects.
13 posted on 07/04/2015 9:47:22 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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Russia has stricter gun laws than even Britain.

Post-communist Russia enacted a total ban on privately owned or possessed handguns and practically all long guns with an exception for registered long guns used by licensed hunters during hunting season. However, a recent study by 2 Harvard professors of European gun laws and murder rates found that Russia's murder rate is now almost 4 times that of the US. And the majority of those murders are committed either by using bare hands or by using everyday tools and implements such as hammers, axes, knives, metal pipes, baseball bats, poison, wooden clubs, rope, etc.

The logical conclusion that an unbiased individual would make from those data would be that easy access to guns doesn't cause people to kill other people, but in fact guns deter more murders, assaults, thefts, and crime in general than any other factor. But when did a mind numbed gun-grabber ever come to a logical conclusion based on actual facts?

14 posted on 07/04/2015 9:56:38 AM PDT by epow (What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? MK 8:36)
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To: OttawaFreeper
I can remember reading in David Kopel’s book “The Samurai, The Mountie, and The Cowboy”

A great read on the cultural differences. I got a kick of one snippet about Japan's Sword and Samurai outlook. One of their gunsmiths won some international competition (I think) and the government awarded him with - a sword.

15 posted on 07/04/2015 9:58:24 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: epow

Yeah, but, if no firearm is involved, it’s not really a violent crime. At least that’s what it sounds like from the momunists.


16 posted on 07/04/2015 9:58:30 AM PDT by rktman (Served in the Navy to protect the rights of those that want to take some of mine away. Odd, eh?)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Gun control in UK has been highly effective at reducing the number of firearms, and particularly handguns, in the country.

Saying that it is ineffective because they cannot stop ALL guns from entering is essentially the same argument as saying that we shouldn’t try to stop entry of illegal aliens because no conceivable policy would be 100% effective. Which is true.

If you reject the idea for immigration you are forced to recognize that the argument is not itself valid for guns, either.


17 posted on 07/04/2015 10:03:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Hiddigeigei

There ARE weapons that fire 1000 rounds per second. For that matter, more than 1600 rounds per second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE

But they’re not exactly hand carried.


18 posted on 07/04/2015 10:12:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Gun control in Britain has been highly effective at reducing the number of firearms owned by law-abiding Brits; not so effective at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals. As pointed out in the article by Matt Palumbo, gun control has had no effect on reducing the number of gun-related homicides in the UK, which is now essentially the same as it was before the gun-control laws were enacted in 1997.

Did you read the article by Palumbo?


19 posted on 07/04/2015 10:17:49 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Sherman Logan

The article shows a photo of a Czech-made Skorpion machine pistol which has a cyclic rate of fire of 850 - 900 rounds a minute, depending on the ammunition.


20 posted on 07/04/2015 10:23:24 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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