Posted on 06/14/2015 3:17:22 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Sure, but consumption taxes can’t be dodged by the poor, the left won’t sign up for that. And they’re tough for corporations to dodge, so forget getting the GOPe onboard that one too.
Free trade didn’t give us an income tax. We volunteered for that crap when there were plenty of tariffs in place. And getting rid of free trade won’t end the income tax.
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So true.
Plus the payroll tax makes employers de facto tax collectors for the government (without pay for the service).
That should be done away with forthwith and people should pay their own damn taxes. And then we would have a real discussion on taxes.
If the first of every month we had to cut the IRS a check for our taxes people would be chanting that the rent is too damn high. But we keep it invisible. Hell even I ignore it, just because it’s so irritating. Who wants to make payday irritating.
No, no, you just don't get it!
It's the new, improved, GLOBAL economy!
All those workers you're worried about? They will go to college, learn to write code, become engineers and doctors, and become MANAGERS (do not ask, "mangers of what?").
It's the new, KNOWLEDGE economy!
And the ones who can't, or won't?
We will legalize marijuana, decriminalize heroin, and build more gated communities.
You obviously still are working with OLD THINKING!
Get with the program!
I learned yesterday from a Cruzer that IT work is just monkey work and the H-1B visa program is a good thing. You can learn so much on Free Republic.
Because you are part of our nation, and Third Worlders are not.
Either we compete with the world or the world moves on without us.
Yes. They do. Kinshasa and Port au Prince are a much more probable scenario with your preferences that Zurich and Dusseldorf.
I would be OK with tariffs and a consumption tax.
Why? Because I know how to live within my means.
But MOST AMERICANS DO NOT. They flatly refuse to live within their means even if they could. They would flatly refuse living in a world where everything is not super-cheap and super abundant and super-convenient to get if that is on offer, which it is, and has been for a few generations now. They are not going to give up that lifestyle.
Any politician that promises the status quo, or even cheaper stuff and more convenience and you can defer the payment on all of it to future generations to pay ... that politician will win the day.
Exactly!
Yes. Exactly.
To be fair they do the same thing in countries with a VAT. The VAT is included in the price, not itemized out as our sales taxes are, on receipt. So people don’t have to be reminded that they are paying 20% tax on the item they are buying. They soon forget about it and the tax just becomes part of the price of the item in their minds. It’s another way to distort the truth.
Apparently, people like to be shielded from truth.
Agreed!
Exactly!
Because in the end there’s not much we can do about it. Most American are at least willing to say they want smaller government, but there’s one vital demographic that clearly does not: politicians. When every election is between guys who want to increase the government some and guys who want to increase it a lot the opinions of the average person don’t really matter.
I hear you; this has been a disaster from the start.
Expect to see more radical voting from desperate Americans who know their parents’ way of life is lost forever; also expect the American population to continue declining while imports are trafficked here to replace them.
US companies became global firms decades ago; they have no loyalty to any flag, owe nothing to anyone but shareholders (of any nationality), and as such nobody should expect anything from them outside of profits.
“We can vote against the Marxist Free trading Income Tax lovers like you.”
Saying things like that makes you sound like a moron. Marxists are big on free trade... And free traders on big on taxes of any sort... Were you drinking when you wrote that?
Well I wasn’t drinking but what I wrote didn’t make any sense either...
Lets try again...
Marxists are not big on free trade... And free traders are not big on taxes of any sort...
A good example of your position is the war on drugs.
Essentially illegal drugs have high tariffs so they create a black market. That black market causes massive losses of freedom and economic destruction and yet the drugs keep on coming. Demand is filled one way or another.
The bottom line is many think we can just be island in the modern world and that simply isn’t possible. Either you compete across the board or you lose.
And regarding China, we’ve probably lived through their low cost advantage heyday. As they modernize and grow more wealthy their people will demand higher wages and better living conditions as did all the countries that came before them. Japan was the “cheap labor” of the 50’s and 60’s. As the backward countries join the modern world I would expect the labor advantages to even out.
The government yoke on us is another matter.
Creepy; a lot of people are in denial that we are rapidly approaching a point where few people will have any job (beyond donvenience store cashier or Wal-Mart greeter). Back in 2007/2008, I was watching a cable news show where some talking heads were discussing the “new normal”. One of them had the foresight to know that in the future the true status symbol for Americans would be having a job (any job).
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