Posted on 06/10/2015 5:18:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Yes, but things have changed in the last ten years. It used to be that most networks were not secured. They are pretty rare these days unless they leave them open on purpose, e.g. coffee shops.
All the comments are in the subpoena:
http://popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Revised-Grand-Jury-Subpoena.pdf
I think perhaps the commenter got it wrong procedure wise.
the course seen in the movies its to take her out back, shoot her, put her in a freezer and then put her through the wood chipper.
less mess and a more perfect grind
I tend to your side of the argument because having been in WWII and having my brother killed on Okinawa I know that sometimes in some situations the taking of another person’s life is a matter of life or death. Such has been since recorded time and even the Bible tells of God sanctioning war and death.
I understood what you wrote. I was simply trying to engage in discussion of the finer nuances of free speech.
WayneS: “...please do not make the mistake of assuming that my defending them means I agree with what they are saying.”
I did not. I also understand the comments did not rise to the level of a threat in your opinion. I’m simply pointing out that’s a subjective assessment. To say something is or is not REAL freedom of speech, one must have a very clear standard as to what is and is not protected speech. Are perceived threats protected free speech? If perceived threats aren’t protected, whose perception applies?
Ironically, this type of ham-handed behavior results in something good, that websites that permit commentary learn to automatically delete anonymous user metadata within a day after a post is made.
This works at two levels: it does permit source determination if there is a “clear and present danger”, a direct and tangible threat; but at the same time it effectively closes the recovery window so quickly that some egotistical politician or judge or whoever does not have the time to subpoena the data before it is deleted.
The downside is that it pushes subscription sites whose users have fixed metadata to make themselves more anonymous oriented. It would be unfortunate, and be a major hassle to sites like FR, that thrives on the free exchange of ideas between “polite people”, without a constant deluge of planted posts, trolls, political operatives, etc.
Perhaps we shouldn’t be setting our hair on fire over these subpoenas just yet.
Right. After all, it’s only the Jews….er…Libertarians…they are coming after. The rest of us are safe.
+1
Doesn't that mean you couldn't flip anyone the bird?
Thanks.
I hope so.
Has anyone ever actually fed anyone else into a wood chipper - or is that just the best known scene from the movie Fargo? Citing over-the-top cinematic killings is not a serious threat.
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Well said.
Good catch!
Foul...
Helena Kraft (sp?) was. Lake Zoar in Connecticut. Her husband (ex?) did a really thorough job, took several mistrials to convict him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Helle_Crafts#In_popular_culture
Hah! I didn’t know Fargo was inspired by real events ... and I’ll bet those Reason posters didn’t either. I still say it’s not a serious threat.
To add, all they apparantly found of Kraft was part of a finger.
The joke at the time was “Why did Richard Kraft feed Helana through the woodchipper feet first”? “So he could see the look on her face.”
Although there was never any evidence that she was still alive, let alone conscious, when fed in. Heck, Richard Kraft was so thorough that the rental place’s testimony that they’d never had a woodchipper returned so clean was a major piece of evidence.
The DOJ = Ministry of Truth
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