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Ten Thoughts on the Irish Debacle
http://the-american-catholic.com ^ | May 25, 2015 | Donald P. McClarey

Posted on 05/26/2015 6:58:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Now that Ireland has voted to approve gay marriage, a few thoughts:

1. Catholic Ireland is now Anti-Catholic Ireland-The Irish have always found scapegoats useful as an explanation for Irish failings. Britain long played this role and the Church is now filling this role. This vote, for many of the voters, was a joyous opportunity to give a one finger salute to the faith of their ancestors.

2. Spineless Shepherds-With one or two exceptions, the Irish episcopate was worse than useless. Cowardice was their most notable attribute. Expecting these timeservers to stand up for Catholicism in a hostile environment is like expecting a wolf to become a vegetarian.

3. Pope-MIA-The Pope has endless time to waste on made up problems like global warming, and to make snide remarks about faithful Catholics, but he uttered not a word on this vote. In the current feeble state of the Church in the face of her enemies, the fish does rot from the head down.

4. No Representation-All the major parties in Ireland backed gay marriage, so the 38% of the Irish people who voted against it, a huge block of voters in a proportional parliamentary system like Ireland, effectively have no political voice.

5. Iron Triangle-In Ireland government, academia and entertainment were all overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage. The group think on this issue makes the old Iron Curtain countries seem diverse in comparison.

6. American Money-Endless amounts of money from rich American gays fueled the yes vote campaign. Why? Because of the symbolic importance of having traditional Ireland embrace gay marriage and as a thumb in the eye to the Catholic Church.

7. Hebephilia -It only is bad when priests do it. At least that is the case judging by the lionization of Irish Senator David Norris, the father of Irish gay marriage, who has long supported pederasty, and defended a former “partner” accused of statutory rape. Of course he has called Pope John Paul II an instrument of evil and Pope Benedict a Nazi, so he gets a pass in today’s Ireland.

8. The Enemy Within–Father Martin Dolan received a standing ovation from his Dublin parish when he came out as gay and called for a yes vote on gay marriage. I give him an A for honesty and an F for fidelity to the teachings of the Church. Thus far precisely nothing has been done to this priest by his superiors. The Lavender Mafia within the Church clergy is apparently alive and well.

9. Around the World-Advocates of gay marriage are seizing upon this vote to push for it in other nations including Italy, which will place this issue on the doorstep of the Pope.

10. Only the Beginning-Gay activists will not stop with gay marriage, bank on it. The next step will be to coerce Churches to celebrate gay marriages. This battle will continue until the gay activists are defeated, or until religious freedom is a thing of the past.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europeanunion; fartyshadesofgreen; globalwarminghoax; homosexualagenda; ireland; popefrancis; romancatholicism
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1 posted on 05/26/2015 6:58:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

There will be a global backlash. Count on it.


2 posted on 05/26/2015 6:59:47 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: NKP_Vet; Salvation

Total, utter agreement with this...


3 posted on 05/26/2015 7:01:22 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: NKP_Vet

Bkmrk.


4 posted on 05/26/2015 7:04:16 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: NKP_Vet

Point #6 is an important one.
In 2012, a tremendous amount of out of state money came to Maine in support of a ballot issue supporting gay rights.

In one of the election years sometime in the late 1990’s early 2000’s a good number of Republican legislators in the various state houses lost there seats, in many cases upset election results. In turns out that wealthy gays were financing the elections of pro-gay Demorats. Of course state Republican party officials knew nothing, saw nothing, heard nothing, until after the election results came pouring in and a good number of conservative state reps and senators lost their seats.


5 posted on 05/26/2015 7:07:32 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: NKP_Vet

These are sick, sick souls who know deep down how much an anathema to God their behavior is, thus constantly need to point out how “proud” they are, and require the affirmation from the civil society of their aberrancy as the “new normal.”

It’s the cry of the immortal soul, or “conscience” if you will, that animates this incessant need to stick it in everyone’s face (no pun intended)


6 posted on 05/26/2015 7:15:22 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: NKP_Vet

The youth vote did this.

Thus the reason youths were originally excluded from voting.


7 posted on 05/26/2015 7:19:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (You can't spell Hillary without using the letters L, I, A, & R)
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To: skeeter

There will be a global backlash. Count on it.

your evidence supporting that is...?


8 posted on 05/26/2015 7:28:31 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: TexasFreeper2009
The youth vote did this.

Look what it did to us in 2008. It will do even worse things next year.


9 posted on 05/26/2015 7:28:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IrishBrigade
6000 years of recorded history.

They are overreaching.

The natural order will reassert itself. It always does.

10 posted on 05/26/2015 7:47:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: NKP_Vet

It is fairly obvious, at least to me, that this is a battle we have lost or at least are losing.

When you are in the process of losing a battle, the smart thing to do is not reinforce failure. It’s to disengage, if you can, fall back, regroup, figure out a better strategy and counter-attack.

If what you are doing is ineffective or even counter-productive, there’s not much reason to keep doing it.

The reason we lost, of course, is that a few years ago we mistook the majority of the population going along with what was popular at that time, opposition to gay marriage, with principled and determined opposition. In fact, most “opponents” went along to get along, and were just as happy to switch sides when it became popular to do so.

I must say I’ve never seen a faster turnaround on a similarly fundamental issue.

Tocqueville wrote extensively about how Americans actually worshipped opinion, that they would tend to settle matters of morality by determining what was popular. Well, that’s exactly what we’re seeing here.


11 posted on 05/26/2015 8:04:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

It is interesting to note that heterosexuals seem to be losing their interest in marriage almost as rapidly as homosexuals have all of sudden become so interested in it. How many babies these days are now born out of wedlock? How many heterosexual couples these days are now cohabitating? I must say in all honesty, we have a lot of this going on in my own family.


12 posted on 05/26/2015 8:11:32 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: skeeter
There will be a global backlash.

There will be pockets if vocal dissent. Then grudging resignation. There won't be a backlash.

13 posted on 05/26/2015 8:15:38 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
heterosexuals seem to be losing their interest in marriage

They don't seem to be losing it. They are losing it. The truth is, gays didn't take over the institution of marriage. Heterosexuals abandoned it.

14 posted on 05/26/2015 8:19:15 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I quite agree. And conservatives and especially religious people share much of the blame, imo. Most of the references to homosexuality basically address it as one of several sexual sins, yet too many conservatives have fixated on it as the sin beyond compare.

So most of our churches pretty much ignore the “popular” sexual sins while, till recently when it too became “popular,” lambasting homosexuality.

There’s a word for enthusiastically denouncing the sins you aren’t tempted to engage in, while ignoring those you engage in yourself. Don’t tell me, I’ll think of it...

Straight people killed marriage and the family, not homosexuals. As a recent book pointed out, most elite people in America have pretty stable families. They just don’t preach what they practice. Behavior that a rich person can get away with, mostly, destroys poor people and their families.


15 posted on 05/26/2015 8:21:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

“It is interesting to note that heterosexuals seem to be losing their interest in marriage almost as rapidly as homosexuals have all of sudden become so interested in it”/

Smoke and mirrors from leftists. Like I’ve been saying all along, the average homosexual could care less about getting “married”.

http://townhall.com/columnists/marknuckols/2015/05/26/where-are-all-the-gay-marriages-n2003669?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=


16 posted on 05/26/2015 8:29:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("All the evils in the world are due to lukewarm Catholics" ~ Pope Pius V)
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To: Sherman Logan

“Straight people killed marriage and the family”

CORRECTION: The democrat party killed marriage and the family.


17 posted on 05/26/2015 8:31:32 AM PDT by NKP_Vet ("All the evils in the world are due to lukewarm Catholics" ~ Pope Pius V)
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To: NKP_Vet

"Bravo!"

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"Who am I to judge?"


18 posted on 05/26/2015 8:33:25 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Straight people killed marriage and the family, not homosexuals.

Preach on, brother!

19 posted on 05/26/2015 8:34:56 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: NKP_Vet

Very true. Homosexual behavior is naturally extremely compulsive and permissive. Maybe marriage became important to some as the deadly AIDS virus began to spread rapidly.


20 posted on 05/26/2015 8:37:45 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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