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Gates, Gays, and the Boy Scouts
National Review ^ | 5/24/2015 | Kevin D. Williamson

Posted on 05/24/2015 5:34:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

The soul of a bureaucrat

Robert Gates has long been surrounded by men in uniform, first as secretary of defense, now as president of the Boy Scouts of America. His time at DoD coincided with the repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on homosexual soldiers — a repeal effectively imposed by the courts — and as the leader of the Boy Scouts he is calling for a repeal of that organization’s policy banning homosexual adults from serving as troop leaders or in other leadership roles.

Gates, whose likeness appears in Webster’s with the entry for “bureaucrat,” says that the Boy Scouts’ policy on homosexuals is “unsustainable.” He warns that attempting to maintain it would mean “the end of us as a national movement.” This sentiment expresses a great deal of what is wrong with the leadership culture of the United States.

Not because Gates is taking a friendlier attitude toward homosexuals than his predecessors have. There is, in fact, an excellent moral argument to be made for the inclusion of homosexual adults in leadership positions within scouting — but Gates is not making that argument.

Instead, he argues from organizational self-interest — never mind if it is right or wrong, the policy puts Scouting Inc. in a tough position, so best to abandon it. Duty to God and country? To heck with that — management always has its own priorities.

Depending on your point of view, Gates is either doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason or doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; gates; gays; homosexual; mittromney; romney
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We've seen this before. The Catholic Church also very 'tolerantly' placed homosexual men in positions of authority over teenage boys. And we know how well that ended up.

The same mob that is demanding the Boy Scouts succumb to homosexual leaders will be demanding that the Boy Scouts be fined, jailed and closed down, due to the scandals caused by those homosexual leaders.

1 posted on 05/24/2015 5:34:53 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: Servant of the Cross

It’s very difficult for me to believe that one so passionate on a position doesn’t hold to it himself.

I wouldn’t want a son of mine anywhere near this guy.


2 posted on 05/24/2015 5:44:15 AM PDT by onedoug
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3 posted on 05/24/2015 5:54:58 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The Scouts are over.


4 posted on 05/24/2015 5:56:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Servant of the Cross

The BSA very wisely, long ago, excluded homosexuals as leaders, and instituted a “two-adult rule” to prevent homosexual seduction on outings.

It did this because of Sandusky-type scandals perpetrated by homosexual pederasts.

Now, they will have to learn it all again.


5 posted on 05/24/2015 5:56:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Natural laws learned over thousands of years were mocked, ridiculed, overturned, and even outlawed. Toward the end, homosexual drill sergeants prowled the barracks grooming receptive teenage recruits. Hey, we were told, it’s their business, and who are you to judge them? Later, they could get married in the post-interfaith worship center by a military spiritual advisor (“chapels” and “chaplains” having been purged from the lexicon for favoring the Christian faiths) and then move on to adopting children.

And finally, the last old-guard bunker to fall: the Boy Scouts, completing the cycle of government-approved sodomite corruption. For a century the Scouts were morally straight? According to whose definition of straight? So why shouldn’t adult homosexual Scout leaders share tents with teenagers in our brave new world? Don’t be a homophobe, we were told. Each child can make his or her own free choice about their gender identity, but now with helpful adult mentors to guide them along the formerly forbidden paths.

If it feels good, do it. Or have it done to you. Or even do it unto the little children. Tommy wants to become Tomasina before heading to kindergarten? Her brave new mommy agrees? A government-provided surgeon will perform the “gender reassignment” operation. And if kindergarten isn’t soon enough to put the kids on the unrepressed road to gender identification, then start them on Heather Has Two Mommies and Prince and Prince cartoon books in the government-subsidized day care centers.

Smiling experts assured us that we were merely throwing off the shackles of our repressed sexualities. Dissent is hate, and hate is not tolerated around here, mister, so shut up and get with the program. Well, I couldn’t get with the program, so I quit my public high school job. As a world history teacher, moving from a public school to a Christian academy (at less pay and fewer benefits) gave me a couple more years of insulation from the social wreckage cascading down.

I kept looking up for the big asteroid, but we didn’t need God to smite us from outer space. In the end, we smote ourselves with our hubris, believing that we were replacing God’s wisdom with our own. The proud decadence and in-your-face cultural perversions didn’t cause the Rupture, but they were surely flashing red signs warning that the end was near.

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6 posted on 05/24/2015 5:57:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Then amend the oath:

BEFORE:
Boy Scout Oath or Promise

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

AFTER
Boy Scout Oath or Promise

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God my own god and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong and mentally awake. and morally straight.

Just be straight with the people as to what you are going to accomplish by allowing homosexual predators in to the Scouting organization. State to the people that the Bible is an ancient historical relic that is no longer applicable. The God of the Bible does not exist. The Scouting organization will follow their own "moral code." This "new code" has nothing to do with the God of the Bible. Each Scout leader and organization can "follow their heart" AS LONG AS it does not include the Christian Bible in regards to sodomy or other "homophobic" areas.

7 posted on 05/24/2015 5:58:09 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The BSA program is supported by businesses and the orders from corporate America as evidenced in Arizona in 2014 when Jan Brewer vetoed religious freedom and this year’s cave ins from Mike Pence (IN) and Asa Hutchinson (AR) are pretty clear.

Conform or else.........

I was a leader in the BSA program and went to BSA leadership programs that were always held at the large businesses in my community. My Explorer post was supported by the richest man in town, a billionaire.

More evidence of how the corporate elites run our society and our major political parties.

More evidence we need a UKIP style third party in the United States.


8 posted on 05/24/2015 6:04:01 AM PDT by Nextrush ( FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, DON'T BE PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“There is, in fact, an excellent moral argument to be made for the inclusion of homosexual adults in leadership positions within scouting...”

I stopped reading at that exact point. No need to read any further. Anyone who would say something as ignorant as that needs to be avoided.


9 posted on 05/24/2015 6:07:32 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Gates .... moral cowardice and more ...

That there are priorities above institutional self-interest is a proposition entirely alien to the bureaucratic soul, and Gates’s tenure at the Pentagon is testament to that. During his confirmation hearings, Gates declined even to venture an opinion as to whether the United States was winning or losing the war in Iraq, something that was of acute interest in 2006. More precisely, he took an absurd position that the United States was neither winning nor losing “at this point,” as though he were overseeing Schrödinger’s army. Concerning the position of General Peter Pace, Gates declined to support his re-nomination as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not because he did not think he was the best man for the job but because, as he explained at the time, he thought that a contentious confirmation hearing would be bad for the organization. He urges Congress to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell” not because he came to believe the policy defective but in order to permit the military to implement changes on its own terms rather than on a judge’s schedule. The reckless withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq — which has borne poison fruit in the form of the so-called Islamic State — was overseen by Gates, whose main concern in that affair seems to have been remaining in the good graces of his masters, whether George W. Bush or Barack Obama.

10 posted on 05/24/2015 6:10:55 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provideFs. ~W.E. Johns)
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To: Servant of the Cross

There is only ONE reason to promote homosexual leadership in the Scouting ranks and that is to “scout” out recruits and MOLEST our sons.

>http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2014/07/diversity-destruction.html<

...Diversity is an anti-religion, and anti-ideology, a nepotism which promotes everything except one’s own family.

Diversity therefore equals the destruction of any and all religions and of all positive ideologies.

Because Diversity can only be destructive: whatever IS is insufficiently or inexactly diverse.
Whatever IS must therefore be destroyed in order to make it MORE Diverse.
And there is no conceivable or measurable end to it. Yesterday’s Diversity is today’s intolerable lack of Diversity.

Diversity is the destruction of Good; and it is the destruction of all types of Good - however defined. All are chewed up and spat out by Diversity.

Diversity is the promotion of chaos by the destruction of Good; and then there-naming of chaos as Good.


11 posted on 05/24/2015 6:20:10 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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To: missnry
The new Scout Oath

On my honor, maybe, I will try
To do my duty to God as I define him or her and my government
and to obey all the government approved Scout Suggestions ;
To help other people at all times except the racist haters who listen to Rush;
To keep myself physically attractive, mentally tolerant and morally straight or gay. Or Transgendered. Whatever.

Boy Scouting is so over.

12 posted on 05/24/2015 6:21:48 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Bryan24

Me too. That exact same line.


13 posted on 05/24/2015 6:22:10 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The word “Other” is missing in the title before the word “Gays” which by the way should be “Queers”.


14 posted on 05/24/2015 6:23:33 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Qiviut

Our family got involved with Scouting 8 years ago. We saw it as not only something good for our kids, but as an opportunity to be a positive influence on kids that might not have it at home. In 2013 when the policy was changed for the youth we almost walked away, but realized if we were in it for the youth we needed to stay. But with the announcement by Gates we’re staying just long enough for our youngest to finish his Eagle project and 2 merit badges. It was / is a sad day but now that the Boy Scouts have taken this step down this path their days are numbered.


15 posted on 05/24/2015 6:24:58 AM PDT by jim5833
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To: Servant of the Cross

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16 posted on 05/24/2015 6:25:03 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass ("Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid." Hedy Lamarr)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The Catholic Church also very 'tolerantly' placed homosexual men in positions of authority over teenage boys.

Given the experience of the Catholic Church and Penn State in these situations, anyone continuing to advocate that the BSA allow homosexual scoutmasters is either a drooling moron/useful idiot of an advocate of child molestation.

17 posted on 05/24/2015 6:35:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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There is, in fact, an excellent moral argument to be made for the inclusion of homosexual adults in leadership positions within scouting...

And what exacly would that moral argument be?

Whatever it is, I'm probably not buying it.

Eagle Scout 1969
Adult Scouter 1996-2010

18 posted on 05/24/2015 6:36:32 AM PDT by super7man (Oh why did I post that, now I'll never be able to run for Congress.)
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To: jim5833

I have a nephew who has been in Scouting since he was a little guy (he’s now 13). I fear for him and have talked to my brother about it and he does go on all the camping trips and participates in activities with my nephew, so that is some comfort. I will be glad once my nephew is no longer in Scouting - breaks my heart to say it because it’s been an important part of a lot of lives until the sodomites made it a target and moral cowardice has prevailed.


19 posted on 05/24/2015 6:37:33 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provideFs. ~W.E. Johns)
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To: Qiviut

You need not fear...... in actuality, there are no queer scouts

Your nephew will benefit far more from scouting than he will from your meddling


20 posted on 05/24/2015 6:39:23 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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