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The "War on Drugs" is dinosaur technology
Huffington POst ^ | 03/22/2015 | Johann Hari

Posted on 05/03/2015 7:59:56 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui

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To: Gene Eric
I’m interested in a combination of the two where execution is a real option when dealing to minors.

Selling drugs to a minor demands an immediate death sentence.

61 posted on 05/04/2015 12:47:33 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Gene Eric

Why is it not just as bad or worse if they deal to the minors’ parents which then leads to the breakup of the minors’ family and maybe the death of the parent?

It is awful for everyone regardless of age. If you’re older it destroys families, relationships, the ability to provide and hold a job, and then the crime that follows such a person to feed their addiction habit. And then the community is not only down one formerly stable family, the kids are down a role model that could help them, and the community is up one more troubled family, potential criminal due to funding their drug habit.


62 posted on 05/04/2015 12:49:05 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

> We should be invading countries that make drugs for sale on US streets.

Afghanistan’s Opium production — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan — could be wiped out with a few nukes, it would also make a huge dent in the funding for international terrorism [IIUC]... there’s a reason we haven’t done this: the US government makes too much money off of the War on Drugs, it garners too much power from the War on Drugs, and the War on Terror, using the expedience of “now” to justify ignoring Constitutional constraints (such as the NSA’s domestic espionage).

> We should be shooting people who run meth labs on the spot.

...it’s funny how the “law and order”-types are the first to throw out the law and act like thugs when the law gets in the way of their dreams of utopia... heck, insofar as that is concerned there’s little difference between that and the leftist’s utopia-dreams.

You are literally cheering for giving [up] the power that will be used to destroy you.


63 posted on 05/04/2015 12:57:29 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Afghanistan’s Opium production — could be wiped out with a few nukes, it would also make a huge dent in the funding for international terrorism [IIUC]... there’s a reason we haven’t done this: the US government makes too much money off of the War on Drugs

You're proving my point. If we nuked Afghanistan's drug production, (and that of other drug producing nations) we would go a long way toward solving our problems with drugs and drug dealers.

You are literally cheering for giving [up] the power that will be used to destroy you.

No, because I'm not a drug dealer. I also support vigilante justice for drug dealers btw. I think a parent has every right to get his/her gun and blow away a dealer who sold to his kid.

64 posted on 05/04/2015 1:08:12 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Drugs are generally hideous. I’m not user, nor condone its use.

WoD is an industry, and manned by honorable people, but it’s still a massive industry.

Being a conservative libertarian, I’m interested in the smallest degree of government control possible. This isn’t a comfortable paradigm for most. So yeah, there’s the risk you mentioned.


65 posted on 05/04/2015 1:18:57 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

>> I think a parent has every right to get his/her gun and blow away a dealer who sold to his kid.

I don’t have a problem with that providing there’s justifiable proof. But I’m not supporting your fantasies of cleansing the World.


66 posted on 05/04/2015 1:37:59 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

No offense but your seeming minimization of “yeah, the risk” is a big part of the problem of why its so entrenched today.

To be honest if swat was used exactly how it was sold to us - which it has not been - hardcore drug dealers and gangs would have been destroyed. And there would have been so much fear instilled almost nobody would seriously consider it worth it to be a hardcore drug dealer.


67 posted on 05/04/2015 1:46:11 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

My point about “the risk” concerns the general growth of govt and the comfort of security it brings. I’m not dismissing the concerns you raised.

Don’t forget my original point regarding aggressive consequences for those that would otherwise deal to minors.


68 posted on 05/04/2015 1:54:15 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Your words were “executed in the spot”. You wrote it, not me.

Own it.


69 posted on 05/04/2015 5:01:12 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
Where exactly in the Constitution is the authority granted to the Federal government to regulate what people put into their own bodies?

Under the section where defending the nation is authorized. Drugs are an existential (that means endangering our existence) threat, therefore destroying them is well within the mandate of constitutional authorization.

70 posted on 05/04/2015 7:15:39 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
Knee jerk 19th century social Darwinist thinking is what caused us to lose academia, the news media, the entertainment media, the bureaucracy, youth subculture, urban centers, etc. We change or we die, it’s that freaking simple.

You seem to have a deficit in understanding about the social factors at work which resulted in all these things you mention. These events are systemic, and a result of conditions which are innate.

I don't want to get into a long explanation, but I will point out that if you look at cities that are extremely Liberal, the one common factor is great wealth and prosperity.

San Fransisco is extremely Liberal because it is extremely rich. Same with New York, Boston, Chicago, etc.

Wealth drives Liberalism. Liberalism is mostly a consequence of it, especially in successive generations who did not have to work hard to earn the wealth.

You can change your thinking all you want, but you will still not be able to stave off the tide, and that's what it is; A societal tide.

71 posted on 05/04/2015 7:24:14 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: wintertime
I stand with the libertarians on this one.

End the War on Drugs.

Because we all want a collapsed society and a consequent dictatorship!

72 posted on 05/04/2015 7:26:16 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Picture this: Your son lives in the city and borrowed money from you. Now he has the money to pay you back and you agree to meet him at the street corner near where he lives, because it's too hard to find a parking space in the city that time of day.

So you pull over, receive the money from your son, and drive away. Whereas you are instantly shot for being a drug dealer. I mean, what other reason could you have to accept money from a young kid in the middle of the inner city other than to sell him drugs?

73 posted on 05/04/2015 7:29:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Marie
I am not for everybody doing drugs. I’m for letting go of an ineffective approach and trying something that has had success in other places.

The Libertarians have been spreading the propaganda for years that the Socialist Policies of the Socialist government of Portugal are "working" at least according to the Socialist Government of Portugal, and of course the Libertarians are all too happy to spread this lie so long as it supports their dope legalizing agenda.

I've seen contrary data, but I am too disgusted with this successful propaganda tactic to bother looking it up right now. Needless to say, what is occurring in Portugal is a propaganda success, but not an actual success.

74 posted on 05/04/2015 7:29:32 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: the_daug
War on Drugs keep Cops employed and drug dealers rich.

Right, because drug dealers during a condition of legalized drugs could never possibly get rich.

Ever hear of this nation called "England"? Yeah, they weren't at all rich during the Victorian era.


75 posted on 05/04/2015 7:32:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: SamAdams76

Yeah, you just keep making up this dumb libertarian stuff while demonic drug dealing criminals come for our kids’s souls.


76 posted on 05/04/2015 7:33:46 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Secret Agent Man
How about ending the War on People started by the drug dealers?

I wish you felt as strong or stronger about that as you apparently do on this.

Those people here who aren't specifically dope smokers have simply bought into the propaganda that has been endlessly spread by those who advocate drug legalization for their own personal dope smoking.

They spread so much bullsh*t (Like the "war on drugs" costs more than not having a war on drugs) that people accept it as true.

77 posted on 05/04/2015 7:35:05 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

Be a good parent. I raised two kids and they never touched the stuff.


78 posted on 05/04/2015 7:38:36 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: GraceG
This is the driving force behind all black markets.

Do you know what is FAR WORSE than black market drugs? It's free market drugs.

79 posted on 05/04/2015 7:39:21 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp
Nonsense! It is the Drug War that will lead to tyranny.

For most of this nation's history there was no regulations on drugs. Americans built a vibrant and strong nation.

80 posted on 05/04/2015 7:44:56 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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