Global Warming on Free Republic
Posted on 05/01/2015 9:04:56 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
During both the Minoan civilization and during Roman times temperatures were much higher. Human civilization thrived.
[[This silly theory is based on at least three “facts” not in evidence:
1. The earth is actually warming,
2. The warming is primary caused by human activity,
3. Man has the ability to reverse this warming.]]
The atmosphere has just 0.00137% CO2 in it created by man- that’s it- 100
s of years worth of CO2 created by man and our atmosphere still only has 0.00137% CO2 in it created by man
These LIARS and SCAM artists should be required to explain to everyone how 0.00137% of our atmosphere can possibly be causing climate change! When it is discovered that these idiots can NOT explain how, then they should shut their LYING mouths once and for all
Tell us greenies, how much of the heat trapped by 0.00137% of our atmosphere makes it’s way back to earth via back radiation? 10% of 0.00137%? (0.000137) 5%? (0.0000685)
What percent is it greenies? How about you show the actual heat coming back from our atmosphere and actually causing temperatures to rise In specific spots- We want to see specific heat molecules trapped by man’s CO2 making it’s way back to earth and causing definitive heat increases- we want the actual numbers- ENOUGH with the ‘it’s hotter, man burns fossil fuels, therefor man is responsible for the increase’ NONSENSE- SHOW US the heat specifically trapped by MAN’S CO2 causing the temp increases you claim it is- surely you can show that, right? No? Then shut it!
Another group of “experts” looking for their fifteen minutes of fame. By the way. Expert is someone that has carefully selected his data to back up every one of his miscalculations.
Can the prophets of climate change doom tell us:
The “correct” temperature for the planet?
The “correct” humidity range for the planet?
The “correct” mean sea level for the planet?
The “correct” amount of precipitation for the planet?
Considering that absolutely no increase had led to catastrophic Earth changing events, I think they have a point.
First rule of climate fight, all changes are bad.
[[The “correct” temperature for the planet?]] Yes, Fahrenheit 911
[[The “correct” humidity range for the planet?]] Yes, Whatever the proper humidity is to keep a Cuban cigar properly moist (now that cuba has been taken off terror list)
[[The “correct” mean sea level for the planet?]] Yes, 20,000 leagues
[[The “correct” amount of precipitation for the planet?]] Yes, the planet should resemble England, otherwise it’s obviously not going to be healthy
Hey, might as well set the target for zero climate change at all while they’re at it, because the earth is gonna do what the earth is gonna do regardless, just like it has for billions of years before homo sapiens arrived.
OTOH, it’s GOOD for the elite to bicker over the number of climate change angels that can dance on the head of a climate change pin because otherwise they’d have no excuse for continuously jetting around the world and scarfing up mountains of caviar at “climate change” meetings paid for by we peasants.
Again with the sinking islands...
If the Sea level has risen 400 feet in the last 18,000 years (it has), how are there ANY people living on ANY atoll’s in the pacific and indian oceans?
The answer can only be atoll’s “float” relative to the sea’s surface. If the Atolls sink, it can’t be “global warming”, but can be man’s activities on the atoll causing it not to rise with the rising sea water (as they have for the last 18,000 years).
For sub-two degrees, you're going to want the optimal plan. That baby is really sweet, keep the planet cool, no problem. Of course, it's going to cost extra. You don't want anything to happen to your precious planet, do ya?
Now that some models and most observational science says we won’t read 2 degree increase they can no longer scare people with the old warnings. They have to find catastrophe with less than 2 degree warming or they can’t justify their policy goals.
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My gosh..the earth was never hot?? Pennsylvania was never a swamp? Scientists, I know the earth warmed and cool...without human help...
0.012% but similar to your number in principle.
We want to see specific heat molecules trapped by man’s CO2 making it’s way back to earth and causing definitive heat increases-
Nearly all infrared photons are trapped but all energy is eventually released to space. If that were not the case, the earth would quickly heat to infinity.
The only change is a lowering of altitude at which the effective trapping takes place, When photons are released from the atmosphere to return to earth or head into space, those are brand new photons. The surface temperature may or may not rise. It depends on weather (convection, lapse rate, etc).
[[0.012% but similar to your number in principle.]]
The atmosphere has 0.04% CO2 in it- man is responsible for 3.4% of that 0.04% which means that the the percent of CO2 in the atmosphere due to man totals just 0.00137%
[[When photons are released from the atmosphere to return to earth or head into space, those are brand new photons. The surface temperature may or may not rise.]]
you are talking a tiny fraction of the heat escaping earth, beign trapped by the 0.00137% that man contributes to CO2 in atmosphere- What percent of that 0.00137% makes it’s way back to earth? 5%? 1%? When you figure that number/percent out- then figure out how much of a percent that would be compared ot all the other molecules by volume on earth beneath the atmosphere- It will amount to NOTHING- not even the equivalent of heating a tiny fraction of the molecules within a domed stadium by lighting a match for a second or two-
Do you not see what I am getting at? The amount of heated molecules making it’;s way back to earth is such a tiny tiny fraction of the earth’s molecules, that it quickly becomes overwhelmed and reaches equilibrium instantly- trhere simply is NOT enough heat making it’;s way back to earth- there isn’t even enough making it’s way back to earth that was trapped by the much larger percentage of ALL CO2 which is 0.04%
[[Nearly all infrared photons are trapped but all energy is eventually released to space.]]
Tell me how all photons can be trapped when 1: there is so little heat trapping CO2 to begin with, and 2: when what little CO2 there is becomes saturated- the rest would just blow right on past the saturated 0.04% of the atmosphere which traps heat=-
You’ve weighed in repeatedly but you have never addressed these points- nor did you address my questions in my previous post What is the volume of heated photons making it’s way back to earth compared to the volume of the earth’s air/molecules? I’m betting it is extremely low as per my points above- we are talking about just a tiny fractiosn of the heat trapped by man’s 0.00137% by volume CO2 in atmosphere actually even making it’s way back to earth- the numbers/percent must be so small that to even hint that it could affect earth’s temperature is rediculous
Lemme boil it down:
There’s not enough CO2 to form a layer, hence, it can’t trap sh!+!
palmer is claiming all heat gets trapped-
I realize there isn’t enough- If we took a, I dunno, 6 foot model of the globe, cut a one inch diameter piece of cloth, and held it above the globe about where the atmosphere would be, that would represent how much CO2 is in the atmosphere- meaning 99.99863% of the globe would have nothing above- all there would be is a tiny insignificant area of CO2 over it
As for what little heat does get trapped and back radiated- it would be akin to taking an eyedropper, filling it with water that is about 2 degrees warmer than the water in an Olympic sized swimming pool, and placing a drop of that water into the pool, once a year, and claiming that that drop of warmed water was causing ‘catastrophic warming of the pool water”
The whole point being, that there is so little heat being transferred back to earth after it escapes the earth, that what tiny fraction of heat does make it’s way back, will, just like the pool analogy, quickly reach equilibrium- the heat from that drop of water will be instantly cooled two degrees to match the pool water- because there is so little of the heated water that got added-
I want to see a scientists explain to us, how much heated molecules are making their way back to earth, what the % of that heat is compared to the volume of cooler temps in the air surrounding the earth- I’m betting the % will be laughable
It would be one thing if our atmosphere contained a thick blanket of CO2 and MOST of the trapped heat was back radiated in the right direction, back to earth, instead of most- the vast majority- being radiated out into space- but that simply is not the case- There simply is not enough CO2 both natural and man made to do diddly squat- AND what little there is only a tiny fraction of the heat captured actually makes it’s way back to earth
Perhaps CO2 does blanket the earth- but how stinking thin would it be if there is only 0.04% of the atmosphere to blanket the earth with? The layer would be nearly immeasurable it would be so thin- Surely it wouldn’t take much escaping heat to saturate such a thin blanket, meaning any further escaping heat would simply blow right past the saturated CO2- as it could no longer absorb more heat- unless it back radiates instantly? Meaning it is constantly freeing itself fro m the heat, in order that it can immediately absorb more heat- I dunno- but even if it does- again, there is so little CO2 that the vast majority of escaping earth heat must just go right on out to space unimpeded
[[Nearly all infrared photons are trapped]]
By what? Surely not 0.00137% of the atmosphere (the percent of CO2 man is responsible for)
Surely not by 0.04% of the atmosphere (The percent both man and nature are responsible for combined)
[[but all energy is eventually released to space.]]
“All energy” is released out into space? Then what is making it’s way back to earth in the form of heat? And what is that % compared to the volume of air on earth?
Let’s just start with these few questions
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