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Cruz & Walker vs. Bush & Rubio on Amnesty and Immigration
Conservative HQ ^ | April 23, 2015 | George Rasley, CHQ Editor

Posted on 04/23/2015 3:26:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 04/23/2015 3:26:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cruz is the real deal. Walker is a political animal whom I happen to support.


2 posted on 04/23/2015 3:27:32 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Oh here we go with the H1B crap again.

Off for a nap. Question - Is the H 1B program so many want to tag Cruz with unconstitutional?

Here’s the one link I could find link:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2900126/ted-cruz-the-presidential-candidate-who-wants-to-increase-the-h-1b-cap-by-500.html

Here’s the Tea Party blurb:
•Led the fight against the Gang of Eight immigration bill in the U.S. Senate. Critiqued the bill’s flawed approach – amnesty first, border security second – and argued citizenship should not be offered to those who came to the U.S. illegally. Highlighted the Obamacare amnesty tax, which makes illegal immigrants cheaper to hire than citizens and legal immigrants. Counter-proposed a real border security plan, and to expand the legal immigration system with expanded citizenship and a five-fold increase in H-1B visas for high-tech workers.


3 posted on 04/23/2015 3:38:44 PM PDT by stanne
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What makes Scott Walker’s newly clarified position so surprising is that the Walker is almost entirely the political creation of the business and Chamber of Commerce wing of the Republican Party that supports amnesty and most especially the expansion of legal immigration that would allow them to continue to lower their costs by importing “techno-coolies” to displace American engineers, computer programmers and other middle-income professional employees.

The Chamber and various business interests pumped millions of dollars into Scott Walker’s campaigns in Wisconsin, particularly his successful effort to fight a union-inspired recall, and according to the “dance with the one what brung ya” calculus of politics you’d think Walker would adopt their position on amnesty and expanding legal immigration, but this week he joined Ted Cruz and came out strongly against the Bush – Rubio positions on those issues.


4 posted on 04/23/2015 3:41:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Walker is truly a Rorschach's test on immigration.

The thing about his recent statements, is that he's attacking illegal immigration from an economic perspective, when he should treat it as the military/national security issue that it is.

I'd of course vote for him in a heartbeat if he's the nominee, but he needs to have a Jimmy Swaggart moment over it.

5 posted on 04/23/2015 3:47:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (ANYBODY BUT FRICKING JEB AND HILLARY)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Yet there are scads of people here who think it’s the best thing he’s ever said...


6 posted on 04/23/2015 3:51:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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The thing about his recent statements, is that he's attacking illegal immigration from an economic perspective, when he should treat it as the military/national security issue that it is.

That is why you would never win an election.

Disclaimer: I agree with your position, but it will not work in front of an emotional public.

By saying illegal immigrants are a military/national security issue, your opponents will show the dirty faces of little illegal children and ask the camera: "Do you see a military issue here? Should we use drones against little Pablo?"

What Walker has done is put the unemployed American worker as the victim here. Few people will argue we need to put Pablo before Americans who are hurting.

Walker can show an out of work woman, with an armful of children asking why did she lose her job to an illegal alien who is getting an Obama work permit?

That is how you win arguments.

7 posted on 04/23/2015 4:01:21 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Hillary is the most qualified candidate to finish the destruction of this nation.)
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8 posted on 04/23/2015 4:11:47 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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9 posted on 04/23/2015 4:12:35 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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10 posted on 04/23/2015 4:13:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think Walker can do OK without prostitutes


11 posted on 04/23/2015 4:22:45 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gov. Walker will do a “Pence” on his legal immigration stance— I don’t think he’ll hold it.


12 posted on 04/23/2015 4:33:27 PM PDT by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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Gov. Walker will do a “Pence” on his legal immigration stance— I don’t think he’ll hold it.

That's my take as well.

He's not a statesman, but appears to be a poll-driven, politically expedient driven politician. See the Iowa RFS debacle for another example.
13 posted on 04/23/2015 4:44:50 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: gorush

I am not convinced of Walker’s sincerity on the issue. I’d like to hear him explain his conversion story. Right now, I believe that the change is pure political expediency. I have a problem trusting anyone who ever bought the amnesty arguments; in fact I tend toward despising such politicians.
Is Scott better than a Democrat? Yes, but not better enough.


14 posted on 04/23/2015 4:53:13 PM PDT by alstewartfan (It's the superannuation of a love affair that never quite got started. Al Stewart "Pictures in Wine")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Are you saying that Gov. Walker should have an emotional breakdown on national TV, screaming, “Ah have sinned”? lol


15 posted on 04/23/2015 4:56:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan (It's the superannuation of a love affair that never quite got started. Al Stewart "Pictures in Wine")
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It's good that the sides are being drawn early on for this critical issue. It's entirely justified to label Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio together on the side of amnesty for lawbreakers versus Cruz and Walker on the side of Rule of Law and economic fairness for American workers. Bush and Rubio are utterly untrustworthy on the issue of illegal immigration in my view. I like our odds for winning as conservatives given these two debate teams.

That said, it's extraordinarily unsettling to me when I encounter a politician coming late to the party in recognizing a national threat of this magnitude.

Throngs of impoverished, uneducated individuals pouring over the southern border with little or no intention of assimilating into the American culture or learning English is an existential threat to the USA; it's a nation killer over time. Violent criminals and ISIS mixed in with the throng makes it an immediate life and death matter of national security. It's my number one concern and has been for many years. The only other threat I place at equal importance to the USA today is ISIS or Iran getting control of nuclear weapons.

16 posted on 04/23/2015 5:00:36 PM PDT by Unmarked Package (Cruz to Victory 2016)
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If Scott Walker is NOT as you state, we’ll need at least one iota of proof of any action he’s taken on illegal immigration.

I’m getting more and more pressure to speak Spanish in my neck of the woods. No indication of when, how, with whose resources and with what motivation im to use to learn it. I’m kind of busy paying tens of thousand s in taxes,

Walker talks to the right of cruz on immigration MAYbe, this is mistaken around here for Walker IS to the right of cruz on immigration.

don’t know what it is with people and their need to ruin the country


17 posted on 04/23/2015 5:03:07 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m glad Walker has talked to Sen. Sessions and gotten his mind right. Not completely sure I believe him.

His previous statements, close relationship with Priebus and Ryan (cheap labor importers), and even now talking about some future immigration system like we don’t already have one, make me nervous.
There has been an organization that calls itself Voces de la Frontera in WI since 2002. When you have a group of foreigners setting up shop saying they are the Voices of the Frontier (of Mexico) many miles from the real frontier of Mexico perhaps you should notice that your state is being colonized.


18 posted on 04/23/2015 5:04:03 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

He shows no character involvement on immigration just a lot of sweet talk.

No reasoning, no motivation, no history no epiphany nothing.

Is it just me? am I jaded from a past of a lot of eleventh grade boys whom I never believed, who were all talk, but who could always find some dopey or slutty girl? Because the Walker lovers around here are shockingly ready to believe what he tells them with no testing of character. Reminds me of dopey high school girls


19 posted on 04/23/2015 5:06:57 PM PDT by stanne
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To: DoughtyOne

Follow the money. I don’t believe in “Whitehouse Road” conversions.


20 posted on 04/23/2015 5:37:00 PM PDT by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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