Posted on 04/04/2015 10:15:06 AM PDT by lowbridge
Colorado's legal battles between religious freedom and gay rights continue to play out in the not-so-sweet arena of bakery cake requests.
Last week, the Colorado Civil Rights Division ruled that Denver's Azucar Bakery did not discriminate against William Jack, a Christian from Castle Rock, by refusing to make two cakes with anti-gay messages and imagery that he requested last year.
The dispute began March 13, 2014 when Jack went to the bakery at 1886 S. Broadway and requested two cakes shaped like bibles. He asked that one cake have the image of two groomsmen holding hands in front of a cross with a red "X" over them. He asked that the cake be decorated with the biblical verses, "God hates sin. Psalm 45:7" and "Homosexuality is a detestable sin. Leviticus 18:2", according to the Civil Rights Divisions' decision.
On the second bible-shaped cake, Jack also requested the image of the two groomsmen with the red "X". He wanted it decorated with the words "God loves sinners" and "While we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Romans 5:8."
He told the civil rights agency he ordered the cakes with the imagery and biblical verses to convey that same-sex marriage is, in his words, "un-biblical and inappropriate."
Marjorie Silva, the owner of the bakery, told Jack that she would make him the bible-shaped cakes, but would not decorate them with the biblical verses and the image of the groomsmen that he requested. Instead, she offered to provide him with icing and a pastry bag so he could write or draw whatever messages he wished on the cakes.
Silva told the civil rights agency that she also told Jack her bakery "does not discriminate" and "accept[s] all humans."
(Excerpt) Read more at thedenverchannel.com ...
One law for us, one law for them.
Separate and unequal
Marjorie Silva, the owner of the bakery ... but would not decorate them with the biblical verses and the image of the groomsmen that he requested ...
I sugged Ms. Silva look up the definition of "discriminate." She most certainly does.
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Segregation is back!
Clear violation of a persons right to free speech, they need to fine the Azucar Bakery 130,000 and they need to open up a GOFUND me page for these person to get his money back. Yep... What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Apparently not.
This is going to become settled law, only Christians will be forced to make and do things that offend them.
Very simple. Homosexuals are defined as a protected group, Christians are not.
Therefore, a business can refuse to provide specific services to Christians but not to homosexuals.
“only Christians will be forced to make and do things that offend them.”
Not this one. Leftism is evil, and I never have, nor will I give into it.
These activists are doing this wrong.
He should NOT have asked the bakery to make an anti-anything cake. He should’ve asked for a cake that was PRO-traditional marriage. He should’ve asked for wording that was positive for something (not negative) so that it was PRO-marriage.
Then he still would’ve made his point, and the bakery would’ve refused to make the cake, but he might’ve made a better argument in court.
We now know how all of these are going to go. I’m struggling to find the right words, but essentially, the problem is not a lack of laws, or a logical argument. The problem is the people we have in power. This same “Civil Right Division” is trying to put a Lakewood baker out of business. Does anyone really think a law will stop them? Why should it?
I just really think everything we’re doing to fight this is completely wrong. We’re trying to get them to obey their own rules, be consistent, be tolerate when they’ve shown us over and over they’re not interested in that.
Let this also be another lesson to all you COS people. The Left will not comply with any amendment. Not a single one. We need to disobey them, or remove them from power, or get out of their reach. We need to do that unilaterally: no law or process is needed to legitimate it.
He would have lost no matter what because the ruling class’ goal is the suppression of Christianity.
Well, if we’re now at the point in which we live under a government that is forcing us at the point of a gun to directly go against our religion and our concsciences, we will are also arriving at a point in which a gun needs to be pointed back at the government.
The same thing for Christian florists. Sell them the flowers, but have them delivered in big boxes. Allow the customer to arrange and place the flowers as they see fit.
He would’ve made his point, though. This doesn’t make his point.
I’m not reading stories about anyone walking into a Christian bakery and asking for a cake decorated with a message like, “Christianity is evil,” for example. (Oh, they might believe that, but that’s not the wording they’re asking for on the cake.)
They’re asking for cakes with two grooms, two brides, or rainbows with “pro-” messages. Yes, in a way, they’re saying the same thing, but in a different way.
That’s what pro-Religious Freedom activists need to do - ask for a message that comes across as pro-something, not anti-something. Such as a message that’s pro-National Organization for Marriage.
They should ask for the NOM symbol on the cake:
https://www.nationformarriage.org/
With words such as: “National Organization for Marriage celebrates traditional marriage.”
No one is being directly attacked that way. The bakery still would refuse to bake that cake. But, this way, a better argument could be made in court.
different laws for different people
The new apartheid
She discriminated against Christians.
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