Posted on 03/12/2015 4:27:21 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
Carl Sagan is arguably science's biggest rockstar—the ultimate champion for logic and reason. Which makes it all the more painful to find out that his son is a vehement 9/11 truther.
In a recent interview for a radio show called 9/11 Free Fall (already off to a great start), Jeremy Sagan—the younger son of Sagan senior and his first wife, fellow scientist Lynn Margulis—went off on all us closed-minded sheeple. In response to a prompt asking when he first "woke up," Sagan remarks:
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http://www.amazon.com/Brannigans-Building-Construction-Fire-Service/dp/1449688942
Truthers are stupid scumbags
Fire Science gives about 3-4 hours before gravity takes over.
This book is the bible.
There is a reason why commanders joined their men and died on that suicide mission.
These “truthers” don’t seem to get it, if someone did this in the gov it wasn’t Bush. He wasn’t there long enough. The only thing he might have done was give it the nod (if truthers look honestly at their theory). Clinton was there long enough to plan it. Truthers would have to look at Clinton much more than Bush. But they are blinded by the Bush did it thing.
I find that people who believe in this garbage, tend to have little understanding of engineering. I have even seen physicists truthers make dumb mistakes about this whole thing.
if someone did this in the gov it wasn’t Bush. He wasn’t there long enough.
World Finance couldn’t have survived if all 10 planes hit their targets, therefore the planners had plans and ability to survive the collapse of global finance. Who all could have survived that?
Sort of throws a wrench into sperm banks that cater to high IQ.
Your dramatic lack of education is showing. Run along little man.
Carl Sagan is arguably science’s biggest rockstar—the ultimate champion for logic and reason.
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Oh please. Sagan turned into a mush brained pothead during his later years.
I’m not an architectural engineer, but I do have a degree from Purdue in Civil Engineering Technology and worked several years at Indiana Dept. of Tranportation as a tech specializing in “testing to fail” concrete and steel re-inforced concrete.
I also worked as an engineering contractor with the Corps of Engineers during the construction of one of the last (artillery) black powder production plants in the US, specifically construction of its blast walls (4 feet thick) and control room blast protection.
Our little company was also involved in the preliminary testing of modern “bunker buster” warheads, as we engineered and constructed the test targets, the bunkers these munitions were tested upon and their after effects. Artillery MOS in Vietnam and so on...as it is I’ve seen lots of things get blown up.
What pancake? From the videos I’ve seen the buildings seemed to be turned into loose debris from the top down in a huge expanding fount of dust and debris . The act of falling down does not impart enough energy to accomplish this, this is more like a tree that is turned to sawdust from the top down, somehow.
I don’t know what happened to those buildings that day nor do I even pretend to... I do know what didn’t happen, however.
A very effective way to keep people in the dark is to divert attention to anything but the truth of WHAT happened on 911. Until that is clearer the who and why and how are not going to get to the truth.
Jeez, I guess everybody got mad and left, huh...
All that mean just kills the s**t outa the thread...
The majority of debris fell onto itself. Of course when you have something big that collapse debris is going to go everywhere, but most of it fell straight down. A bunch of floors failed and fell straight down on top of the next floor causing it to collapse.
The outside parts of the building went out, which happen to be mostly outside scaffolding/glass/window framing, etc. But the floors sat on trusses connected to the underside support structure of every floor. Meant to support ONE floor each. Maybe two floors could have been supported by the trusses. But it wasn’t enough to hold the top third or so of the building. 5 or so compromised floors failed, and dropped on top of the next floor in line. Which made the next floor in line fail faster and faster.
If you watch, you can literally see it happen. Top of South Tower goes like this:
1.) debris goes outward from those damaged floors falling.
2.) half second or so pause.
3.) then the South Tower falls.......top down
The reason you don’t know what happened is because you haven’t seen it happen before. You’ve only seen explosives destroy. Since that’s what you’ve seen mostly, you know for sure it wasn’t explosive. Good enough for me.
I've witnessed reinforced concrete “destroyed” two ways, extreme pressures such as hammers and penetrators that leave the concrete destroyed structurally but generally left as its components as the gravel and such...and explosively to induce the speed of sound though the concrete and particulate it which requires explosives with speeds over 3200 meters per second. That will turn concrete and all its components into a fine powder.
I can't comment on why the building fell down, but what happened during and after I can have my own poorly informed opinion about.
The metal floor pans on each building were filled with almost a ft/acre each of reinforced lightened concrete. Thats almost 110 acres of concrete, each building. How did the 500,000 ton building in the act of falling, create enough energy to grind to a particulate mostly all of this concrete so fine it founted like Vesuvius and coated the surrounding area with up to 6 inches of the material that once resided in the falling “pancakes” as solid concrete.
To accomplish this with explosives some have estimated it would require about 2-300,000 tons per building.
See my dilemma? Leaves the conspiracy guys with a real problem, too. My eyes and limited experience allows me to opine it was blown to kingdom come, from the top down, 10 or more floors at a time, yet it would take probably 2-300,000 “tons” of explosives to do so. What energy other than the force of gravity on a falling object was present to make that much material capable of blowing away on the wind?
Therein lies the rub. Hard to hide 300,000 tons of really high explosives in 500,000 ton buiding, isn't it?
I’m not worried about a civil war. And as far as the rest of the world picking at us... we always have the option of MAD: nuke Russia, China, etc.
Do a Samson option and pull the pillars down. If America doesn’t survive, we could guarantee the rest of the human race is reduced to a pile of radioactive ash.
There was not, nor could have been any explosive. The amount of explosive you say it would take would likely have blown chunks of the towers all over New York State.
I don’t understand why anyone thinks that the area was coated in 6 inches of particulate concrete. That just is not true. There is video that show huge slabs of concrete. I don’t know what is so hard to understand.
There is also zero evidence of any explosive being used.
The buildings were just poorly designed, and likely built with low grade techniques.
Are you saying the official story is horseshit? Because it’s plausible. More than plausible. Not to mention all the gaping holes in every truther conspiracy theory about motive. Also the who why and how.
No truther theories hold up.
I don’t believe MAD could work with man at the helm. Not without a safeguard ensuring that if X (Where X is a nation with nuclear weapons) were about to be obliterated , the missiles would be fired in return.
Put yourself in that position. I don’t care who you are. You’re about to turn the key, you have authorization from the President and he has given you your launch codes. Could any man do it? You can say you would all you want. But you know what happens. That’s it. You are tasked with ending the human race. If you push that button. It’s over. No one can be saddled with that responsibility. It has to be initiated by a dead-switch. Or there is no such thing as MAD.
There have been a few documented instances where those on watch were presented with situations where they thought the nukes were flying. About to fire back, but suddenly stopped. During the cold war it happened at least once that the public knows of.
They’re the type who already have answers to questions only stupid people would formulate and so armed with their ‘’truth’’ there is no convincing them otherwise.
Little man, you were taken to the woodshed and shown what an absolute idiot you are. No, let me rephrase that- you’re too stupid to be an idiot now shut up and stop posting to me you moron.
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