Posted on 03/11/2015 9:41:53 AM PDT by redreno
in addition — shooter states he warned the robbers that he was armed, and they didn’t back off.
Hopefully more evidence will emerge.
Also note the time — 6:36 pm — that’s still rush hour, presumably there might be other witnesses.
The incidents happened on a crowded train, and in a train station crowded with people. There are witnesses besides the three, and video cameras. Try again.
NYC CCW rules are very, very difficult to understand and more difficult to comply with.
The retired officer could, in theory, have a current permit for the gun he used, but it is much more likely that he doesn't.
But not in the five boroughs or Nassau Co., IMO.
LEOSA exempts laws which “prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park”.
It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the NYCTA allows possession of firearms on the subway.
I have heard of fatal attraction, but this seems to be a case of fatal expectoration.....
It is in saliva. They “claim” it an’t infect anyone. Would you personally risk it? They don’t take into account immune-compromised people, or the saliva getting into an open wound. Or the possibility some people may have a higher level in their saliva than others.
This is the media template being pushed. Only the people of color killed by evil whites defending themselves are to be outraged over, not the overwhelming number of blacks killed by other blacks. Nobody cares because these people are thugs and you can’t blame whitey for them, and nobody has sympathy for thugs killing thugs. But they’ll take all their anger and transfer/project it onto whitey and now whitey’s killing all their blck youts, and don’t talk about the youts’criminal pasts, or what they might have been doing to whitey at the time whitey killed them.
Really? I have other retired LEO relatives who don’t leave home without it. Maybe they have NYS CCW’s? Not sure, as I left NY years ago and have no intention of returning...
The article mentioned no witnesses and no cameras. Do you have another source that does?
Retired law enforcement don’t usually have a hard time getting CCW permits. in some states honorably retired law enforcement don’t even require permits.
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It can transmit Hep. C and tuberculosis. That’s enough.
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I guess I should have put a /sarc tag on my post, I’m well aware of the double standards at work here. I don’t care what the guy retired from, everybody should be able to carry concealed.
Im a C/O and I agree with you, everyone should be able to carry concealed. But in NYC, as things stand current and retired law enforcement are one of the few exceptions to their otherwise draconian rules.
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He had time to load his gun during the fight and the idiots just stood around and waited to be shot?
Sounds implausible, but possible.
“Time out guys while I load my gun, just stand there a minute”
Arrest In Fatal Brooklyn Subway Station Shooting
A day after a retired correction officer fatally shot a fellow subway rider, police have made an arrest. The victim's friend, Joscelyn Evering, 28, was charged with assault and menacing.
On Tuesday night, around 6:30 p.m., Will Groomes, 69, had been on a 4 train when he apparently raised the ire of Evering and Gilbert Drogheo, 32. DNAinfo reported that the older man "walked in between a pair of friends having a conversation while blocking the doors... [Drogheo and Evering] took exception with Groomes for walking between them and began to make angry comments to him." A source told the Post, "The guy who got shot told the correction officer on the train, ‘I’m going to hit you so hard your children and uncle are going to feel it.'"
Witnesses described the young men as belligerent and possibly drunk and said they shoved Groomes into a subway seat, even spitting on him and punching him. When the train arrived at Brooklyn's Borough Hall station, they all got out of the train and continued to argue.
According to NBC New York, "Groomes allegedly identified himself as an officer and told Drogheo and Evering that they would be put under arrest. The source says that the men ran away, with Groomes following. As the men tried to walk out of an exit gate, Drogheo and Groomes began scuffling again. Then, the source says, Groomes pulled out a gun and fired one round, which fatally hit Drogheo in the abdomen."
It's unclear whether Groomes will be arrested. From the NY Times:
The Brooklyn district attorney’s office said on Wednesday that it was still “investigating the incident to see if a grand jury presentation is warranted.”
Neither Mr. Drogheo nor Mr. Evering was armed, the authorities said. Mr. Groomes told detectives that he had warned the men he intended to arrest them before following them through the station, his gun at his side, a law enforcement official said.
“There is an issue to be determined, which is whether Groomes was justified,” said the official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because no decision had been made on whether to charge him. “The shooting occurred after Groomes told them they had assaulted him and he was going to arrest them.”
Drogheo's uncle called Groomes a "murderer" and told the Daily News that "his nephew was an electrician who was dedicated to his work. 'He was a great kid,' the uncle said. 'All he did was work.'"
The Post notes that Drogheo has had "23 arrests dating back to when he was just 12 years old for crimes including robbery, assault and drug possession... Records show he served a five-year prison sentence for a Brooklyn holdup and was locked up for violating parole in 2012. At the time of his death, he was on probation in New Jersey for a May 2014 incident in which he punched a woman in the mouth and threatened to kill her."
Norman Seabrook, head of the correction officers' union, said that Groomes was "remorseful" about the shooting but insisted that he had been protect himself, "“He’s thankful for all the support he’s gotten. He’s done nothing wrong."
Groomes' neighbor in Clinton Hill told PIX 11, "It’s always pleasant, but never the type of guy that would go after, no… no… and if anybody tried to mess with his character, I would defend him on that. Really, honestly, truthfully, good guy. Really, really, good guy."
Hadn’t seen any follow-up on this incident. Thanks for posting it. As usual, the perp had a rap sheet a mile long, and was on probation for assaulting a woman and threatening to kill her. Such a nice guy as his Uncle said. Looks like the retired CO might have saved someone’s life down the road.
I wish Mr. Groomes the best in legal defense. He took out the trash. Undoubtedly, the dead punk would have continued to pollute any environment he showed up in.
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