Posted on 03/11/2015 8:23:51 AM PDT by Kaslin
Last week, Dr. Ben Carson stepped onto a political mine -- really, jumped onto it with both feet -- when he answered a question from CNN's Chris Cuomo about the nature of homosexuality. "You think being gay is a choice?" Cuomo asked Carson, after Carson rightly stated that being black and being gay are two very different phenomena. "Absolutely," replied Carson. He then went on to explain, "A lot of people who go into prison straight go into prison straight -- and when they come out, they're gay."
Carson's unstated line of reasoning is perfectly logical. When Cuomo asked Carson whether he thinks "being gay is a choice," Carson interpreted that question to mean: "Is homosexual behavior a choice." To that, the answer is obviously yes, since all non-reflexive behavior is essentially a choice. Cuomo, however, took his question to mean: "Is homosexual inclination a choice." To that, the answer is obviously no -- it is either a byproduct of biology or environment. Feelings, in other words, are not choices; it is possible that some feelings can be shaped by behavior, but as a general rule, feelings are not chosen. Behaviors, however, are chosen. Thus, being black -- a non-behavioral characteristic -- is not like being gay or being straight, in the sense that one cannot choose not to be black, while one chooses one's own sexual behavior.
The divide between Carson's understanding of "being gay" and Cuomo's understanding of the same term demonstrates the rhetorical slight-of-hand that has marked the gay rights movement. By conflating behavior with feeling, and calling it all "orientation," homosexual advocates have conflated biology with choice, and called it all biology.
And even they know that such conflation is a lie.
Take, for example, supposed gay spokesperson Dan Savage. He understands that homosexual behavior is a choice. He compared being gay to being religious: "Faith -- religious belief -- is not an immutable characteristic." He also compared being gay to "military service and marital status." This is logically correct. But Savage refused to acknowledge the implications of this line of thought, because doing so would force him to recognize that society often discriminates between those behaviors it finds productive and those it finds unproductive in terms of the law (military service, for example, is a protected class because we all benefit from the military service of others; being a member of Code Pink is not protected, because we do not all benefit from someone's membership in Code Pink). Instead, Savage fell back on his trademark vulgarity, telling Dr. Carson to "suck my d---." "If being gay is a choice, prove it," wrote Savage. "Choose it. Choose to be gay yourself."
That is an insipid argument; were the shoe on the other foot, Savage would have to demonstrate that being gay is involuntary by engaging in sexual behavior with every male he meets. Given his prior solicitation of Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, and Herman Cain, that may well be his desire, but it's a rotten argument overall.
But arguments no longer matter. Logic no longer matters. Feelings matter. We intuitively understand that behavior defines us rather than feeling; no one would label a vegetarian a person who deplores meat-eating but chows down on steak every night. But when it comes to sexual behavior, we look to get ourselves off the hook: All sexual behavior is involuntary, so how can we be expected to make decisions about it? Hence the left's absurd lie during the Clinton era that everyone lies about sex; hence the asinine notion that chastity until marriage is an impossibility; hence the morally blind belief that societal pressure for sexual morality is discriminatory in the same sense that racism is discriminatory.
The result: No honest discussion can be had about the extent of human choice, the limits of human choice, and our own preferences among the choices human beings make. We are mere animals, forced by our firing neurons to act on each and every impulse. We have no choice. And those who say we do ought to perform oral sex on us.
I think Dr. Carson was at least partially right. The wife of the mayor of New York is a case in point.
There might be a predisposition to “gayness”, but activating that is still a matter of consciously-chosen action.
Doesn’t matter....1 or 2% of the population is an aberration and NOT normal.
I’m willing to concede they were ‘born that way’ if they’ll concede it’s a potentially treatable genetic defect, like retardation.
” Instead, Savage fell back on his trademark vulgarity, telling Dr. Carson to “suck my d-—.” “If being gay is a choice, prove it,” wrote Savage. “Choose it. Choose to be gay yourself.” “
Suicide is a choice Savage, just like being queer. You can prove it now by choosing suicide. Choose it now!
Then he soon repudiated his own words and apologized for them, a perfect illustration why this battle has been lost, only one side came ready to fight..
To say that is to say we are all simply animals, who can not understand our urges or their consequences, or to say that we are not capable of making ourselves into more advanced human beings.
Go pick out a thousand guys/gals who will be shipped off to a state or federal prison and confirm as they enter the facility that they are straight. A year later....five years later...ask them as they exit if they had a same-sex situation with someone while in prison. The odds are better than fifty percent. This should lead to a smart guy asking what happened next after release? Did they flip back to straight....go bi....or stay gay?
I’m pretty sure that Sixty Minutes would prefer not to engage in this type of journalism. It might shock a lot of people on the answers given.
You open the “Pandora’s Box” to anyone, especially the youth and naive. And you certainly can plant that seed of evil. Disguised as pleasure. It can warp anyone’s mind if they are not conscience enough in their own mind to fight or resist it.
I tend to listen to my conscience. If I feel “guilt” at all... I don’t go down that road.
I believe it is a choice.
Now, those who are transgendered or have hormonal issues. That is a different story. And I do not know enough about the science behind that, to make a good educated guess.
But I do know about evil. And how it works and warps the minds of weak minded people!
Or, in the future, cure it with gene therapy.
A high percentage of men engage in homosex while in prison. The vast majority of them go back to women when they are released.
They don’t (mostly) “become gay” due to their prison time.
There is very limited evidence as to how many inmates engage in homosex. It’s probably somewhere between 20% and 60%.
I think, to address the title’s question,
we have to have a strict definition of “being gay”.
If being homosexual is genetic, then so is being a college basketball player.
There’s a gene for tallness.
In our current culture, tallness is predictor of being a college basketball player.
However, it is not a DETERMINATIVE connection as is the gene for black skin/melanin. It is only an associative connection.
Again that begs the question - what does “being gay” mean?
Is it engaging in the act, or a defining aspect of the person?
Yet recent polls show almost 60% of Americans approve of homosexual marriage. I just don’t get it.
I just don’t believe the polls.. If you want a real poll, ask that question to a child.
Seems fairly obvious.
“Being” describes what one is, not what one does.
And actually show them what goes on in the privacy of their bedroom
Genetics of the Nephellium, their DNA of “ The fallen Angels “
That’s what Soddom and Gomorrah was all about.
Read Genesis chapter 6 about the Nephellium and the big picture of who they are.
They are a across breed of the demonic fallen angels and human women.
Thoses who lived in Soddom and Gomorroah were Hybrids and these queers wanted to mate with God’s true Holy Angels when they came to rescue Lot.
For the Nephellium of today, howbeit their DNA is in a weakened state,, Gayness, homosexuality is truly in their genes and genetic make up.
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