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Wisconsin, Workers and the 2016 Election
New York Times ^ | February 26, 2015 | Editorial Board

Posted on 02/27/2015 10:56:52 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: TBP

Bah...

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21 posted on 02/27/2015 11:53:04 AM PST by acw011 (Great Goooogly Mooogly!)
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22 posted on 02/27/2015 11:53:49 AM PST by acw011 (Great Goooogly Mooogly!)
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To: TBP

sorry - ugh... photo post idiocy....


23 posted on 02/27/2015 11:54:39 AM PST by acw011 (Great Goooogly Mooogly!)
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To: Vigilanteman
If the cartel is really providing their members with tangible benefits worth more than the cost of membership, then people would be lining up to join unions.

Why join when you can get the benefits of what the Union negotiates without having to pay anything for it? That's why Unions hate the right-to-work laws.

And so what if Walker is targeting the unions which targeted him? They who live by the political sword should expect to be the first to have that same sword used against them.

Just so we're clear that Walker doesn't believe that public employee unions having collective bargaining is wrong. Just the unions who disagree with him.

24 posted on 02/27/2015 11:58:14 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Vigilanteman
"In a nation where the long decline in unions has led to a pervasive slump in wages."

I was just about to call "Bull-bleep" on this before you beat me to it!

The "long decline in wages" perfectly correlates with the rise of other (successfully) competing industrialized nations, and can only be reversed as our workforce becomes well-educated and well-trained, and use appropriate amounts of technology and automation - something unions seem to adamantly oppose.

25 posted on 02/27/2015 12:02:14 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"The Wisconsin bill is almost verbatim from a model provided by ALEC..."

Not at all true: the WIsconsin bill is almoost verbatim from Michigan law, which has passed the muster of a court challenge!

26 posted on 02/27/2015 12:04:23 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: Vigilanteman
"Right to work laws target private sector unions.
Yeah, they do, but only in the perverse sort of way that free markets target cartels.

Nicely put!
I hope you don't mind if I use your words in discussions with friends!

27 posted on 02/27/2015 12:06:43 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: JPG

The top line of the Panic Meter should be “Mentioning Koch Brothers!”


28 posted on 02/27/2015 12:07:55 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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And of course the other reason unions hate a well-educated workforce is that people who can think for themselves rarely (voluntarily) join unions...


29 posted on 02/27/2015 12:10:29 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“In a nation where the long decline in unions has led to a pervasive slump in wages...”

B.S. That is all. :)


30 posted on 02/27/2015 12:17:08 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: TBP

She’s our Sarah. Ex-newscaster. Cancer survivor. Mom of two, long-time marriage to a terrific guy, etc.


31 posted on 02/27/2015 12:18:30 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wow! That is a GREAT link. Thanks!


32 posted on 02/27/2015 12:20:00 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Vigilanteman

“They who live by the political sword should expect to be the first to have that same sword used against them.”

And Governor Walker is the first in a few DECADES to actaully DO that in Wisconsin!

Love My Gov! :)


33 posted on 02/27/2015 12:21:46 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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That’s:

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34 posted on 02/27/2015 12:30:04 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DoodleDawg
Why join when you can get the benefits of what the Union negotiates without having to pay anything for it? That's why Unions hate the right-to-work laws.

I spent 8 years of my life working for a unionized company in a right-to-work country. I was free to either join the union or pay al la carte for the benefits which I wanted. I chose the later, though more than 90% of the workforce chose the union.

It offered some very nice benefits, some of which were even in direct competition with what the company offered. They didn't mind if non-members took al la carte options off their menu because they made money on it and increased their sales and negotiating power accordingly.

Yes, I suppose you could say I was freeriding on a legacy of benefits which was negotiated dating back to when the union was organized some 40 years earlier. Someone could say the same thing about a new customer for Aflac Insurance or any other product and service company.

The bottom line was that a union facing such competition with multiple choices was continuously striving to make their menu options more attractive to attract new members, where possible, or al la carte customers where not. They weren't wasting a lot of time using membership dues and al la carte customer revenue to promote favored political causes or candidates. As a result, they remained highly relevant in a right-to-work environment.

There is nothing to stop the Wisconsin Unions from doing the same. Your free rider argument sounds a whole lot like socialist states explaining away their failures by blaming businesses for fleeing their states for more business friendly places rather than reforming themselves. Why is that?

35 posted on 02/27/2015 12:35:16 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Redbob

Be my guest and pls see my post #35.


36 posted on 02/27/2015 12:36:20 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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