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Saudi Cleric: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth
Washington FRee Beacon ^ | 18 February 2015 | Adam Kredo

Posted on 02/18/2015 5:21:30 AM PST by jda

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To: WhiskeyX

Bing a Saudi, perhaps he thinks the earth and sun revolve around Arabia.

21 posted on 02/18/2015 6:35:11 AM PST by DaveA37

To: Leaning Right

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22 posted on 02/18/2015 6:37:52 AM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid." Hedy Lamarr)

To: Iron Munro
Imagine the mathematical gymnastics required to describe the motion of the other planets in a geocentric solar system.

Exactly.

Or consider the math required to describe the motion of a golf ball hit by a three iron, relative to the center of the galaxy.

Anytime we're making calculations of movement, we choose the origin we're measuring things from. We choose the origin that is most convenient. When we're calculating the flight of a golf ball, we assume the earth is stationary. When we're calculating the movements of the planets, we assume the sun is stationary. In most cases, we choose a non-rotating frame of reference. But sometimes, we do choose a rotating frame of reference.

It's all a matter of what we're interested in, what we're not, and what makes the math easiest to work with.

There are equations that will describe the motion of Mars, assuming the sun is the origin, and that it rotates relative to the frame, and there are equations that will describe the motion of Mars assuming that the Earth is the origin and that the universe rotates relative to it.

Neither is more or less true than the other, it's simply a matter of which is more convenient.

23 posted on 02/18/2015 7:00:50 AM PST by jdege

To: jda
Now if we can just convince the entire Islsmic world that everything is made of fire, water, air and earth and any belief or experimentation on "atoms" or "protons" is merely a Jewish trick and they must stop it immediately.
24 posted on 02/18/2015 7:01:15 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Darth Obama on 529 plans: I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.)

To: jda

What else can you expect when flags from most Muslim nations feature a cresent moon with a star inside the points.

25 posted on 02/18/2015 7:12:57 AM PST by sportutegrl (-)

To: jda

Clearly an error of judgment. The sun revolves around Obama’s butt.

26 posted on 02/18/2015 7:17:17 AM PST by Jack Hammer

To: Leaning Right

The phrase, “centripetal acceleration”, may be somewhat ambiguous in this context, because there are few significant accelerating forces other than the gravitational forces. The principal gravitational force is the gravitational force of the Sun accelerating the other bodies of matter in the Solar System in a vector towards the common barycenter of the Solar System. Depending on their relative positions, the gravitational forces exerted by the other bodies of matter in the Solar System accelerate or decelerate the Earth towards their center of mass with very small effect, which may be variously closer and farther away from the Solar System’s gravitational barycenter at different points of time. This situation may be depicted by vector diagrams on a sheet of paper.

27 posted on 02/18/2015 7:17:59 AM PST by WhiskeyX

To: jda

They can’t figure out how to use TP either.

28 posted on 02/18/2015 7:20:01 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else need s said?)

To: KarlInOhio

All weapons developed since the dear of Mad Mo’ are haram....

29 posted on 02/18/2015 7:23:57 AM PST by Paladin2

To: KarlInOhio

All weapons developed since the death of Mad Mo’ are haram....

30 posted on 02/18/2015 7:25:49 AM PST by Paladin2

To: jda

That mighty Ptolemaic of him.

31 posted on 02/18/2015 7:53:57 AM PST by xp38

To: Iron Munro
Imagine the mathematical gymnastics required to describe the motion of the other planets in a geocentric solar system.

Which is exactly the problem Copernicus realized 500 years ago.

32 posted on 02/18/2015 7:58:24 AM PST by Ditto

To: Bogey78O
There is no fixed points in space. The sun is the best frame of reference for Earth though.

This is pretty much it. (Rest of comment is more directed at the rest of the conversation than you Bogey)

Any motion at all is always in relation to a certain point that you have to define. You may be sitting still in your living room, but you're actually moving at a thousand-ish miles per hour, just based of earth's rotation. But let's say if the Earth is defined as your fixed point, then yes, the Sun does 'revolve' around the earth. All the other planets 'revolve' around the Earth, with the Sun as the center or their respective orbits. Relative to Earth, you would get a slightly loopy, off-centered orbit.

Also, you can't really consider the Sun to be a fixed point either, as it is revolving around the center of the Milky Way, which is itself moving through space. And within the universe, how do you determine a fixed point that defines all motion universally? Where, exactly, in space can you set your 0,0,0 that gives you a definable movement for any given object?
33 posted on 02/18/2015 8:37:41 AM PST by Svartalfiar

To: Iron Munro

Third post. You win. ;-)

34 posted on 02/18/2015 8:40:08 AM PST by Billthedrill

To: Iron Munro
Imagine the mathematical gymnastics required to describe the motion of the other planets in a geocentric solar system. (or would it be a terra system?)

The math shouldn't be that difficult. Assuming we know the other bodies actually orbit around the Sun, and we're simply making Earth the fixed reference point, you should just have a pretty simple ellipse for planets farther out than Earth. The orbital math would stay the same, you just have to add in the rotational motion of the Sun around the earth. The center of each planet's orbit is simply making it's own circle around Earth. So, most planets would just have a slightly bigger elliptical path (far enough that I don't think they'd create the loops like below, but I didn't do any math on it!). Planets closer to the sun than the Earth would be different, as their revolution is contained inside the Earth-Sun circle. Their path would look more like a continuous looping path like so:

35 posted on 02/18/2015 8:48:38 AM PST by Svartalfiar

To: Svartalfiar

36 posted on 02/18/2015 9:46:44 AM PST by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)

To: Bogey78O

This guy is dumb enough to number two in our State Dept.

37 posted on 02/18/2015 9:58:32 AM PST by JayAr36 (Republicans. When you compromise with evil, EVIL wins.)

To: jda

NOW we know what the terrorists are qualified for per Harf’s analysis of the situation....SCIENCE! There you go. A simple solution to what turns them into terrorists - lack of OPPORTUNITIES! That’s why obozo gave NASA over to the muslims....And we thought he didn’t know what he was doing! HA! The mental midget never fails to surprise AND ANNOY us!

38 posted on 02/18/2015 10:01:21 AM PST by Thank You Rush

To: Bogey78O

Great graphic. You can just imagine Copernicus thinking to himself, “there’s gotta be a better way”.

39 posted on 02/18/2015 11:30:41 AM PST by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)

To: jda

In Ambassador Dore Gold’s book, “Hatred’s Kingdom,” about the Saudi Kingdom as dominated by fanatical Wahhabism, he tells of a professor at a Saudi “University” who taught his students that the Earth revolves around the sun is a western-Zionist plot.

40 posted on 02/18/2015 11:37:55 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)