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Many sex offenders killed in California prison
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 16, 2015 | Don Thompson

Posted on 02/16/2015 2:28:46 PM PST by artichokegrower

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To: artichokegrower

Hang on, let me check my GiveACrapometer. .... Funny, the needle hasn’t moved . (thumps it with finger) Nope. Still not moving.


61 posted on 02/16/2015 5:53:57 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: artichokegrower

The cellmates just doing the job the courts should have done.

If they haven’t already, they’ll be called “vigilantes”.


62 posted on 02/16/2015 5:58:06 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Chickensoup
Instead of the people of the US and each state executing these people who deserve execution, we give the job to criminals

You make it sound like a bad thing....

Leave it to the Pros!

63 posted on 02/16/2015 6:13:54 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: artichokegrower
back in the 1980’s California used this excuse to implement a rule to let “non violent” sex offenders to be treated as an out patient. Newsweek lamented if you jailed the father hitting on his daughter, not only would he be in danger, but you would “break up the family”. We docs read journal articles telling us to push counseling, not to report the abuse. Something to remember when you hear about priests being released over and over again at the advice of their psychiatrists.

Within six months of California instituting “outpatient treatment” for these types, our town in the Rockies started to have have rumors of strangers going after our kids, and two girls who disappeared from a nearby small city...things sort of quieted down after one perpetrator kidnapped a girl sitting in a car at a gas station, was chased by the gas station attendant and the girl's brother, and the perpetrator managed to commit suicide with the gas station attendant's gun.

And a similar story occured when I lived in Pennsylvania.

But alas, too often it's hard to prove these cases so some cases I was involved with used a “plea bargain” to get a couple months or years for repeated abuse of their kid.

64 posted on 02/16/2015 6:23:41 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: artichokegrower

Finally, some good news!


65 posted on 02/16/2015 6:32:56 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Chickensoup

Nice to see someone who gets it.

L


66 posted on 02/16/2015 6:59:02 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: peeps36

To be perfectly honest, I have no problem at all with jailhouse justice with regard to this type of crime.

Fact of the matter is that if you go to prison or even jail with certain charges, you stand a good chance of not living.

So don’t do those things!


67 posted on 02/16/2015 8:11:26 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

again:

We are setting up the government have a “problem disposal system” that would be used against anyone questioning government policy.

The public tacitly approves of this horror, without much evidence. They have been taught to salivate at the words Sexual abuse, and sexual predator without knowing what they mean? Or who the accuser is. Or who is making their resume on these prosecutions.

Like the Soviet Union we use often un-provable, easily planted evidence to ruin people and then allow them to be killed by inmates.

Tell me how much different this is from any totalitarian prison camp??


68 posted on 02/17/2015 4:35:12 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Lurker

This is a huge issue, Lurker, and one that unthinking conservatives ballyhoo, not understanding the second and third level consequences.

We are speeding towards a hell unimaginable.


69 posted on 02/17/2015 4:38:56 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: chris37

Please read post 45.


70 posted on 02/17/2015 4:39:42 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: artichokegrower

There is no cure but this.


71 posted on 02/17/2015 5:28:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Chickensoup

Is there any evidence that this man was falsely convicted?

Further, men have never tolerated these types of criminals among them in prison.

The luxuries of civilization are gone behind bars. Your skin color is your uniform, and you gather with those whom you are like. Your rep is the only thing you have, and your charges matter.

Sometimes men are accused of being chomos without actually being a chomo, it happens, these are criminals, prison is a a rough place, and I do not see it changing any time soon.

I recommend avoiding it at all costs, you can die in there for any number of reasons, not just for having committed or been accused of a sex crime.


72 posted on 02/17/2015 7:59:05 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Chickensoup

Wow, 25 posts before I find something other than “hooray for our prisons.” I’m with you, if we believe child molesters should die, then we should convict them and sentence them to death.

Creating chaos in the prison system, even if it happens to occasionally kill someone deserving, will lead to much more harm. Combine prison chaos with the fact that we have so many laws on the books that everyone is guilty of something and you have a very powerful weapon for the government to use against dissenters.


73 posted on 02/17/2015 8:22:20 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: chris37

I never said the man was falsely convicted, but that there could be false conviction. I said that it is not the work of the prisoners to do killing for the government.

That this could be misused and citizens unthinking about what is a big deal.

You describe a horrific government sanctioned hell behind bars that our citizens seem to be ok with. I am not.

You seem to be ok with the government using criminals to carry out its dirty work. I find this morally reprehensible. If there is someone who has committed an egregious crime it is up to the citizens to face the criminal and put him to death.

Your position lacks courage.


74 posted on 02/17/2015 9:42:28 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup

What makes you think that the prisoners are doing the government’s dirty work?

The prisoners are tending to their ranks is what they are doing.

We don’t want sex criminals among us, and neither do they.

And I don’t see how you say it’s sanctioned, the guy did get another life sentence, but I don’t guess that matters to him as much as sharing a cell with a pervert mattered.

My position doesn’t lack courage, I am simply telling you what the reality of prison is.

If you to go and change reality, knock yourself out, and good luck.

I don’t think you are going to have any success changing the nature of man.


75 posted on 02/17/2015 9:50:01 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Chickensoup

Well, we have a sex offender registry for those they let live among us. Either they are or aren’t a repeat offender. Why is there such a thing?

In this state, the average sentence for repeat offenders is 7 1/2 years.

I’d say after the second conviction, they need to be cast in with the hardened rapists and murderers.


76 posted on 02/17/2015 3:06:20 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: chris37

No I don’t think I will change the nature of man.

Because if the offenders have serious enough crimes that the should be executed, then we as citizens should execute them instead of pretending that we are compassionate and setting it up so they are killed in prison.

To do less is cowardly.


77 posted on 02/17/2015 3:52:24 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

There are sex offenders and there are sex offenders.

Worked with an 18 year old who had consensual sex at a party with a female who was the ward of the state. He served time. He is a sex offender. He could be anyone’s son.


78 posted on 02/17/2015 3:54:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Chickensoup
There are sex offenders and there are sex offenders.

Any bastard who molests a prepubescent needs to be taken-out. Any serial rapist needs to be shot...by his would be victim.

I always noticed the RATs opposed any harsh action against perverts. I think I have a pretty good idea why that is.

79 posted on 02/17/2015 4:07:24 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Chickensoup

They can request protective custody if they feel threatened in general population.

Actions have consequences.

Take Will Hayden for instance formerly of Red Jacket Firearms fame. Would you want to be facing the rest of your life in Angola for raping your 11 year old daughter?

I know I wouldn’t. If he gets convicted of that, it’s going to be rough time.


80 posted on 02/17/2015 6:06:57 PM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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