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Retribution? ATF Bans Common Rifle Ammo
Legalinsurrection.com ^ | 2-16-2015 | Andrew Branca

Posted on 02/16/2015 1:52:38 PM PST by servo1969

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To: Georgia Girl 2

The law on armor piercing projectiles has absolutely nothing to do with a projectile’s ability to pierce armor. It is ONLY defined in terms of its composition. Has a steel “core”? Yes? then it is, by definition in law, armor piercing.


41 posted on 02/17/2015 6:52:40 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2; Georgia Girl 2
Wrong.

The Federal Statute - "Armor-piercing ammunition is defined as any projectile or projectile core that may be used in a handgun and that is constructed ENTIRELY from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium."

ATF's decrees have not followed or is consistent with the law. They've been bullying manufacturers and sellers, and it's easier for the commercial sellers who've believed to drop the cartridges than call them on their bluffs.

It's the reason why the ATF doesn't charged anyone because it's not the law, unless it is made 100% of the hard metals listed in the law.

The word "entirely" means 100%, all, and completely made of those metals listed in the federal statute, and not 20% or 30% or 60% off - no the law says 100% as "entirely" constructed of those materials or "entirely" a combination of them.

42 posted on 02/17/2015 3:57:53 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

And to add to my post that the law 8 U.S.C. § 921 deals with handgun cartridges and not rifle cartridges. The ATF wants to say the rifle round M855 is a now a handgun cartridge, which is preposterous. The M855 was and is designed as a rifle round.


43 posted on 02/17/2015 4:49:05 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

You missed the “or projectile core”.


44 posted on 02/17/2015 5:18:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2
No you did. The M855 "projectile core" is made up of lead with a mild steel in the tip of the bullet.

Entirely" - means 'the core' - or slug made up "entirely" or "combination" of the same hardened material listed in the law.

You know these materials - " tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium."

45 posted on 02/17/2015 5:28:00 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Considering the lack of a legal definition of “projectile core”, a differing of opinion about what it exactly entails is fair and worthy of court review.

Of course, a smart approach to that review will include “...arms shall not be infringed” to the goal of making an exact definition of “core” moot.


46 posted on 02/17/2015 7:35:39 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Red Steel

Yes I think you are right. The BATFE does not write law anyway. Congress does. They just issue regulations and this is a twisted contortion of the law. I don’t think it will stand the legal test.


47 posted on 02/17/2015 7:50:41 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The law is about actual AP rounds for handguns, but for rifles that’s not the case. ATF does a lot of head faking for public consumption and under Obama/Holder favor leftist groups. They have gotten the ammo manufacturers and distributors not to provide AP rifle cartridges for general public use as we don’t see them being sold at your local Walmart and other box stores. However, AP cartridges are out there for public use if you can find them. As this Youtube ammo tester shoots 7.62 Armor Piercing Incendiary API rounds as seen here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYgtv96EWB8

or

Or even HEI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SG0XoAWY70


48 posted on 02/17/2015 9:16:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: lostboy61
"Then he noticed my 3/5 Dark Horse patch on my shooting bag."

And what??? What happened?

49 posted on 02/26/2015 2:07:56 PM PST by jackibutterfly (In this world when the body can be taken at any moment, it would be wise to reconnect with your soul)
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