The Real George Zimmerman-A cautionary tale for conservatives.

FrontPage Magazine ^ | January 19, 2015 | Ari Lieberman

[DemforBush]

I don’t get what Liberman’s point is here. Whether Zimmerman is a nice guy or a jerk is irrelevant. The *only* thing that matters was whether or not he acted in legal self-defense the night he shot Martin. The cops at the scene thought he did, and a jury of his peers thought he did as well. The system worked as it was supposed to, and it rendered its decision.

[kearnyirish2]

“He is no hero to the right, regardless of how the left wants to change the story.”

True; while many defended his actions, nobody was holding him up as a role model for young men everywhere. He was designated as on the “conservative” side by a media that creates classes and assigns members to them; he was attacked for 1) owning a weapon, and 2) protecting property rights - both no-nos in the new world order.

[chesley]

Even conceding that GZ is a racist who “profiled” TM. Even conceding that he has “anger management problems”, and is violent, so what?

Even racists have a right to self-defense. Even violent racists have a right to protect themselves, and even their property.

The important question is “who attacked whom?”. A jury settled that under the law.

[ExTxMarine]

A weapon was never recovered in this case, but 911 audio demonstrates a sincere belief on the part of Shellie Zimmerman that her estranged husband had a gun in his possession and that her life was in danger.

She should have been charged with LYING to police, and making a prank call to 911! She stated, matter-of-factually, that he had threatened her with a gun, which was NOT on scene! That was a LIE! That was simply stated in order to make the charges seem more significant! If I remember, there were no charges filed in that incident - BECAUSE THERE WAS NO INCIDENT! Other than her over reaction!

The "author" of this drivel, believes in the old, "it's not the charges, it's the seriousness in which they were made" that counts theory!

[McBuff]

Zimmerman was not "following Martin," he got out of his truck and was walking toward the street to find the street sign. . .on his way there, he was also looking to see if he could see where Martin had run. It was at that time, the dispatcher advised Zimmerman, "we don't need you to do that" at which time, Zimmerman turned back to walk back to his truck and wait for the police. On his way back to his truck, Martin, IN FACT, had doubled back on the other side of the Apartment complex and assaulted Zimmerman.

Had Martin just continued on to the apartment, rather than doubling back, none of this would have happened. I could care less if Zimmerman is a sinner or saint. . .but that day, he was assaulted by Martin and Martin paid the price, end of story. . .same deal with Michael Brown. . .thug life has its privileges AND its consequences.

[stellaluna]

I remember people on FR who called him a hero.

[kearnyirish2]

I can understand lauding his actions in terms of gun rights; there wasn’t much else to praise in him. In fact, we still don’t know a whole lot about him.

[Sir_Humphrey]

Zimmerman's only action was that he watched St. Skittles. The last I checked, that was no crime

[cripplecreek]

Zimmerman was not "following Martin," he got out of his truck and was walking toward the street to find the street sign.

LOL lost in his own neighborhood.

[alloysteel]

George Zimmerman is a mess, no question about it. But he has also been branded with criminal behavior when it was NOT criminal, and this was probably the starting position.

If you are as likely to be hung for being a wolf as being a sheep, then there is no greater cost for behaving like a wolf.

[Moonman62]

Criminal charges in the above cases were either dropped or never filed,

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The most important part of the entire article.

[cripplecreek]

A lot of FReepers seem to struggle with the whole concept of dumb vs criminal.

[roofgoat]

Shows you that America is still too weak, too frightened and too clueless to take on the cancer that is EVERYWHERE today - violent racist crime against whites.

When we still dwell on a guy like Zimmerman and analyze “should he have followed a punk in a neighborhood that had experienced crime” and what he has done since - all while we see blacks committing horrible violence on whites weekly, tells me we are still soft as a pillow.

I was hoping the hatred displayed towards white the last few years would wake people up. I guess we still have a lot more Mississippi Burnings, daily MSM Headlines that Whites are racist devils and Knockout Games to go.

[Mouton]

“The “author” of this drivel, believes in the old, “it’s not the charges, it’s the seriousness in which they were made” that counts theory!”

and the concept: show me the man and i will show you the crime!!

[SJackson]

Zimmerman was not "following Martin," he got out of his truck and was walking toward the street to find the street sign

Don't know, I wouldn't have gotten out of my van either. Of course in my neighborhood I'd have a pretty good idea where I was. However even if he did follow him, that's not illegal, and it's not clear to me it represented poor judgement. It does seem that's his only action open to criticism, and from what was presented doesn't seem to be to arise to criminality. I think the police and prosecutor had it right the first time, but if the special prosecutor was going to proceed on political grounds, a lesser charge would have made sense.

[SJackson]

He went through a lot, and I’m sure it had an impact. But even if he had anger issues prior to the incident, the prosecutors couldn’t connect any dots.

[tanknetter]

Moreover, Zimmerman sustained very superficial injuries – some minor scrapes and bumps – and these injuries are not entirely consistent with the life and death struggle that Zimmerman described

George Zimmerman is an idiot with more issues than Sports Illustrated.

However the forensic evidence showed conclusively that the fatal shot (the ONLY shot) was fired upward, into a larger and better conditioned Trayvon Martin, who was on top of Zimmerman and in the process of beating him in the face.

[Eagles6]

The author has a rather distorted view of the facts.

[driftless2]

It's still questionable how far he actually followed Martin. If he was a neighborhood watch volunteer, it's sort of the description of the job to check and see what shady characters might be doing.

But even if he had gotten very close to Martin, so what? It's no excuse for Martin to knock him down and start pounding his head into the pavement. Whether he followed Martin closely or as he said only for a short distance before turning around, he did not escalate the situation as some on this forum have suggested. Martin did so by ambushing Zimmerman.

If I start walking in a strange neighborhood that had seen frequent robberies/home invasions wearing a hoodie like many burglars, if someone starts following me I don't have the right to knock them down and bang their head into the concrete. The person following me didn't escalate the situation...I did by attacking the observer.

[House Atreides]

Ari Lieberman should stick to foreign affairs where he has some knowledge. When he ventures into domestic American affairs, he transitions to carrying the progressives’ water for them.