Posted on 01/07/2015 9:27:47 PM PST by rey
A federal judge on Wednesday overturned California’s law banning the sale of foie gras, a ban sparked largely by outrage over the farming practices of a Sonoma company, which some likened to animal torture.
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson does not mean Sonoma Foie Gras can restart production in the state. But it will allow the reconstituted company to sell products brought in from outside California, according to company co-founder Junny Gonzalez. ________________________________ The judge ruled the law was unconstitutional because it interferes with an existing federal law that regulates poultry products. The courts last year rejected the argument that the ban improperly regulated interstate commerce.
Critics of Wilson’s ruling vowed Wednesday to appeal the judge’s decision. But for now, foie gras can legally be sold in the state.
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Thank God!
Ca used to make some fine Foie Gras
Ca regs stipulate that we want the finest so long as nothing dies, nothing is smoked, no indigenous lands are disturbed....
Foie Gras
I have had it numerous times in Europe. I don’t know what the big deal. We are so free.......yep! /sarc.
I wonder if similar tactic could now be used to remove some of the silly gun laws.
There’s nothing silly about decent minimum standards against animal cruelty.
Jeesh!
If it was cruel, the animals would not be productive. In fact, range chickens produce less.
Moreover, silly or not, chickens are property, plain an d simple. All animal laws are part of the socialist agenda to strip people of either property or property rights.
The whole referendum amounts to nothing more than mob rule. Everybody, whether knowledgeable or not, gets to vote on what affects a very few. The average voter knows nothing about running a business and should have no say in it . If they want to vote on this, they should vote with their consumer dollar.
Animals have certainly been treated with cruelty despite possible losses in productivity, and modern egg farming has been especially egregious in this line.
Animals are not simply “property” to be treated however cruelly an owner would wish. That idea goes against the Christian and Jewish religions and is repugnant.
I hate to think what atrocities someone with your views may have committed in life.
Too late for some friends of mine who had a thriving foie gras business in Sonoma. They were from Central America. Went to France to learn the business. Did very well until the extremists attacked their way of life, both physically and in the courts. Lovely Christian immigrants contributing legally to society, run out of town.
Love the personal attack. You fail to understand that the problems come in when someone believes that what I OWN, what I pay for, what I am responsible for, you some how have a say in.
Your socialistic/communistic view points hidden under the guise of Christianity are what cause us all to eventually starve for the sake of an animal. It is an animal. It is without a soul. It is NOT a person. People believe these things are somehow equivalent to people, feel pain the same, think the same, communicate the same. They do not. And it is when people believe like this that they are more likely to treat people like animals, as evident by your cruel remark.
I believe yo friends are featured in the article. Sorry for their loss. I believe they say they will now take the middleman role in the supply chain.
There is nothing socialistic or communistic about my views—and I find yours to be detestable.
The animals are not yours, I believe you will concede. They are mine, hence they are not yours. You want to tell me what to do with what is mine. You want to control what is mine. You seek to do that through legislation. That, my friend, is the very definition of socialism, government control of the means of production. Look it up, if you must. You may not believe yourself to be a socialist, but your views and actions suggest otherwise. Taking what is mine through legislation merely reduces me to a slave of the ballot box. It seeks to make me the animal under your control. That, my friend, is not only detestable, but despicable.
There is nothing in the Bible to say that confinement rearing of livestock is wrong. There is nothing to say foie gras is wrong. God does not say what size cage a chicken may live in.
Animals do not feel pain nor think like us.
We have been branding for the past month or two. We rope a calf, drag it to the fire, stretch it, cut off the lower two thirds of his scrotum, remove his testicles, remove any horn he might have, inoculate him, mark his ear (notch/tip etc), tag his other ear, hot brand him, and turn him loose. Every one of those calves jumps up and rejoins the herd. There is not a man on earth who could have that done to him and jump up and run away. They do not feel pain like us. If they did, they could not survive on the range. They could not drop their calves on the range in a storm and survive. They are not wired like us. Of course one does not wantonly beat and abuse animals; it is demeaning to our nature and it is counterproductive to the animals output, the only purpose for livestock to exist.
Animals do not communicate as we do. They do not tell stories. They do not rationalize. They do nothing to improve their environment or lot in life. They do nothing for the sake of future generations. They have no meaningful knowledge of the past (they retain things yes, but they have no sense of history). They have no idea as to their place in the world nor the universe. They never contemplate such things. They do not pass ideas from one generation to the next. Their existence is wholly instinctual and predictable. Their life revolves around eating and reproducing, nothing else. They relate only in the sense of alpha beta. They are not in anyway self actualizing. They do not seek happiness in the philosophical sense as expressed in the constitution (physical gratification and happiness are not the same thing). THus, they have no rights. They have no concept of God, Satan, heaven or hell. They are animals.
If people did not want animals to be treated as they are, they would not buy the products that result from agriculture. They would vote with their dollars; the most effective means of voting. THose that vote to “change” the industry are merely engaging in false feel good actions, like people who vote for minimum wage increase, gun control, increase welfare, health care reform, etc., which are done, not out of any real understanding of the situation or what the outcome of such actions may be. They vote this way because these band aid measure make them feel that they are doing something while in fact they do nothing.
The animals are not yours, I believe you will concede. They are mine, hence they are not yours. You want to tell me what to do with what is mine. You want to control what is mine. You seek to do that through legislation. That, my friend, is the very definition of socialism, government control of the means of production. Look it up, if you must. You may not believe yourself to be a socialist, but your views and actions suggest otherwise. Taking what is mine through legislation merely reduces me to a slave of the ballot box. It seeks to make me the animal under your control. That, my friend, is not only detestable, but despicable.
There is nothing in the Bible to say that confinement rearing of livestock is wrong. There is nothing to say foie gras is wrong. God does not say what size cage a chicken may live in.
Animals do not feel pain nor think like us.
We have been branding for the past month or two. We rope a calf, drag it to the fire, stretch it, cut off the lower two thirds of his scrotum, remove his testicles, remove any horn he might have, inoculate him, mark his ear (notch/tip etc), tag his other ear, hot brand him, and turn him loose. Every one of those calves jumps up and rejoins the herd. There is not a man on earth who could have that done to him and jump up and run away. They do not feel pain like us. If they did, they could not survive on the range. They could not drop their calves on the range in a storm and survive. They are not wired like us. Of course one does not wantonly beat and abuse animals; it is demeaning to our nature and it is counterproductive to the animals output, the only purpose for livestock to exist.
Animals do not communicate as we do. They do not tell stories. They do not rationalize. They do nothing to improve their environment or lot in life. They do nothing for the sake of future generations. They have no meaningful knowledge of the past (they retain things yes, but they have no sense of history). They have no idea as to their place in the world nor the universe. They never contemplate such things. They do not pass ideas from one generation to the next. Their existence is wholly instinctual and predictable. Their life revolves around eating and reproducing, nothing else. They relate only in the sense of alpha beta. They are not in anyway self actualizing. They do not seek happiness in the philosophical sense as expressed in the constitution (physical gratification and happiness are not the same thing). THus, they have no rights. They have no concept of God, Satan, heaven or hell. They are animals.
If people did not want animals to be treated as they are, they would not buy the products that result from agriculture. They would vote with their dollars; the most effective means of voting. THose that vote to “change” the industry are merely engaging in false feel good actions, like people who vote for minimum wage increase, gun control, increase welfare, health care reform, etc., which are done, not out of any real understanding of the situation or what the outcome of such actions may be. They vote this way because these band aid measure make them feel that they are doing something while in fact they do nothing.
I grew up on a farm, have been involved in dehorning and castration—but not branding. And the calves were very much pained by, literally, burning parts of them alive.
So I don’t buy your BS. There is still some brutality to farming, but processes are improving and there is absolutely no reason to raise animals in a grotesque form of captivity.
People do care about the treatment, but many of them are not intimately aware of it. Those who can best afford to already tend not to buy animal products from unknown sources. More legislation will not only establish minimum standards, but also require better inspection and labeling.
It is getting better, though not fast enough.
Oh, and many of the criteria by which you justify cruelty to animals could be met by various handicapped people. And, of course, there’s a lot that you certainly don’t understand as to the minds of various animals. They certainly feel pain, form attachments, live in social environments, etc.
Alright. Enough. Nothing I said advocates cruelty. Clearly you were not involved in commercial ag. Engaging in a feel good hobby where all the animals are your friends and we all understand and respect each other and we will see them all in heaven one wonderful day is fantasy.
Animals are NOT people and people are NOT animals. A retarded person is a person. He possess a soul and potential, however minimal that chance at developing might be. Animals possess no soul and have no chance of developing beyond what ever animal they are. Horses, cattle, chickens, etc. have been essentially the same over the centuries. Genetically they have improved, but intellectually, if one may use the term intellect for an animal, they are essentially unchanged.
Of course they feel pain, but so does a tree in some sense, as it has a reaction to an injury. The way they feel pain is greatly different than the way we do. Yes they form attachments, but most of those attachments are forms of dominance. The herd/pack/flock leader is such because they can kick everyone else’s butt. The second that changes, they are no longer the leader. It is not out of love or a true sense of respect that they are leader, it is out of dominance. Alpha/beta relationships are the only relationships animals truly have. Spot is NOT a member of the family, he is a dog and takes his place in this warped human/canine pack according to what he is allowed to get away with. Any social attachment they have is instinctual. Herd/flock/school/pack animal that doesn’t possess this instinct fails to survive. It is not by choice they are submissive or dominant, social or lone, it is by instinct.
Finally, I am a little tired of being harangued for not possessing your infantile belief in what animals are. You are certainly entitled to such beliefs, but what is intolerable is that you and your ilk seek to violently, through legal means, to force me to deal with what is mine as to what your sentiment dictate. You have stated in only a couple of postings that I am not true to my faith, cruel, atrocious, greedy, detestable, full of “BS”, brutal, and grotesque which are all the mud slinging that socialists usually resort to. Fine; you have had your say. You are free to project your variant of socialism, though this is a strange forum for such an agenda, but I would ask that you kindly leave me alone.
Pal, I’m happy to leave you alone and yes, more appalled the more you write. But you are wrong—I’m part of a four-generation farming family.
I say convert the chicken coops into Goose feeding bins to produce more foie gras.
Yes you are right. I didn’t read the whole article. That is them. Very wonderful Christian folks. We attended same church but I moved away in 95.
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