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State Republican want to take back power from the Feds
Wash Post ^ | 1/2 | Wilson

Posted on 01/06/2015 3:01:42 PM PST by Zenjitsuman

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To: ZULU

Term limits will never happen. It’s been talked about for 40 years. The only place that I know that has them is Washington State. And I’m not sure that’s still the case.

You have to remember that the state politicians who would be instrumental in passing term limits hope one day to be in Washington cashing in.


41 posted on 01/06/2015 8:35:56 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Then it’s over. Career politicians are everything that is wrong with America


42 posted on 01/06/2015 9:00:50 PM PST by ZULU (Quo usque tandem abutere Obama patientia nostra? . Cicero, First Oration against Cataline)
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To: Zenjitsuman

This is the last hope of conservatism. In the states. The FedGov party is lost.


43 posted on 01/06/2015 9:09:48 PM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Baynative; LucyT; maggief; null and void; hoosiermama; Republicanprofessor

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3244160/posts?page=25#25

Many thanks, baynative!

All y’all ping to this post! Boehner fights dirty.


44 posted on 01/07/2015 5:56:17 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2001)
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To: Zenjitsuman

“State Republican want to take back power from the Feds”

Start locally by electing a pro-2nd Amendment, Constitutional sheriff. These sheriffs have investigative power to throw dirty politicians and bureaucrats in state prison.They also possess legal and armed muscle to confront fascist federal bureaucrats who try to enforce illegal dictates.

Organize. Oreganize. Organize.


45 posted on 01/07/2015 6:09:47 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Jim Robinson
***Republicans plan to launch a fresh assault on the Common Core education standards, press abortion regulations, cut personal and corporate income taxes and take up dozens of measures challenging the power of labor unions and the Environmental Protection Agency***

First they will have to remove legions of corrupt federal judges... Thomas Jefferson said one of the greatest threats to the survival of the republic would be a tyranny of the judges!

WE ARE THERE, folks! When popular referendums - like California's Prop 18 and Fla's rejection of same-sex marriage - are overturned by corrupt judges, overturning the will of the people, and people take to the streets to cheer: WHAT IS THE FUTURE OF FREEDOM IN THIS COUNTRY?

THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAS ANY STANDING IN THE PUBLIC FORUM IN THIS COUNTRY! . . . We are presently in a tyranny!

46 posted on 01/07/2015 8:16:44 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: MinuteGal

See my above... IR


47 posted on 01/07/2015 8:19:27 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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To: Jim Robinson; MeshugeMikey; Syncro; Windflier; Alamo-Girl
States, The Natural Second Party
48 posted on 01/07/2015 10:17:34 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: 1010RD
Yesterday's reelection of John Boehner proves there is but one party, the Uniparty.

Political parties represent the common interests of their members, and to this end the two wings of the Uniparty have far more in common than differences. Their rhetoric often contrasts, but their mutual interests are on display. Witness the fifth year of Obamacare, out of control spending, executive and judicial tyranny. Both wings despise the Tea Party more than each other.

The framers’ constitution wisely divided power and provided checks that reached across the branches. Congress can deny appropriations, congress can override presidential vetoes, the senate can refuse consent to presidential nominees, high political appointees and president can be impeached, and so forth. Unfortunately, these important checks have dissolved into practical uselessness. Gone are the contesting institutional interests between the branches which the framers relied upon to prevent tyranny.

The common interests of the Uniparty are avarice and ambition, money and power. All else, even at the cost of the destruction of our economy, civil institutions, cities . . . everything else plays a minor role if any in their deliberations.

This is precisely the form of tyranny warned of by James Madison, in which all power resides in the hands of a backslapping few.

Freeepers have variously called for a real opposition party. Well, one exists. It is right in front of us. Its members have interests distinct from Washington, DC. They have sovereign powers, generally those which they did not grant to the government they created in 1788. They are fully capable of policing their environment, dealing with labor unions, taking care of their poor, etc. without the heavy hand of a distant, detached, and hostile Rome like city-state.

There is nothing radical in returning the states to the senate. To do so means reversing the tyranny and restoration of republican freedom. There is no substitute.

Article V.

49 posted on 01/07/2015 10:28:46 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie

We’re in general agreement, but the longer I’ve studied the more I think we can get there via the Constitution we currently have. I think the Commerce Clause is underutilized as a tool of liberty.

We’ve had a uniparty for a long time in America. The Whigs and Democrats functioned that way for decades using patronage jobs to stay in power. I think we need to focus on those areas where we can get existing powers to agree.

For instance can we divest the federal government of some of its land by giving it to the states? By selling off valuable tracts and paying down the debt with that?

Can you get a strong majority of voters say 60% to agree to:

1. Build a real border fence down south and give illegal immigration real teeth?

2. Limit EPA oversight?

3. Make international law and by default Sharia Law illegal for judges to use or review cases with?

4. Strengthen private property rights?

5. Strengthen the free market?

I think you could over the next two years pass every week a bill that pushes conservative populism with one poison pill attached. Let Obama veto it and then strip out the poison pill. We need to win the POTUS and keep control of both Houses to make real progress, but we can force Obama and the Dems to pass popular legislation.

I think the California egg law is a real opportunity for those harmed by it to use the Commerce Clause to undo it. Set a precedent and things can change quickly.

Right now, Congress needs to focus on the economy and keeping the Internet tax and regulation free. We need to focus on dominating the thoughtspace.

Islamic extremism is helping. Gun control is dead and illegal immigration is a national concern. The top 4-5 problems in a Gallup poll were all caused by government.

I also believe that most of the change is going to come from the states. Take a look at what Walker has done in used to be Democrat Wisconsin. I think Obamacare will die a slow death and that the solutions to our healthcare issues are already extant.

Imagine a Commerce Clause ruling that just recognized I can buy health insurance across state lines? Doctor/Nurse/Pharmacist licensing didn’t end at the state border? That prices were public and known? I think a lot of our problems come from planned ignorance via the government school system and media and that the solutions are more competition.

At the state level we have to hold on to our majorities through 2021 because of redistricting. I think that’s where a lot of improvement will come from.

We’re winning. Boehner was going to be Speaker and smarter conservatives will win at every real opportunity. I think the Sequester was a huge win and something that scared the Establishment. Government is down as a percent of GDP. Let’s keep it there.


50 posted on 01/07/2015 4:17:22 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
Conservatives are more powerful than their numbers indicate. We’re winning.

Most people can't see beyond the current news cycle, and will miss the truth of that statement. You're quite right.

51 posted on 01/07/2015 7:33:52 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jacquerie

Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 01/07/2015 7:55:02 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: 1010RD
Wickard v. Filburn and so many others were made possible by the absence of the states from the senate. I don't see how Wickard, Roe, . . . can be eventually overturned without a return to federal government.

Yes, as you say, we are in general agreement.

53 posted on 01/08/2015 1:19:35 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie

It’s hard to overturn something in the American system. Look at what Taney did in Dredd Scott and what Blackmun did in Roe. It’s the same thing. Sheer judicial garbage, fully illogical with a tailor made purpose - to push a personal political agenda of the court/justice.

Neither was “overturned” per se. One lead to the Civil War and was overturned on the battlefield. The other was and is being overturned by Americans at the state and local level with a lot of help from technology.

So what if we, as conservatives, as patriots and as believers in the idea of America, used Wickard to our advantage. It’s just sitting there - stare decisis - waiting for us to use it.

We have a ready made case in California’s egg law. It’s clearly affecting interstate commerce and that was its intent. It was passed so that California Watermelons could force the nation to live like they want us to vis a vis chickens.

Why not get some state AGs to sue using the Commerce Clause. We need to be more like water and stop throwing ourselves at frontal assaults. Change takes time, but the cracks in the Liberal Agenda are real, pour through, pour through.

It takes less energy using the existing power structure, than having to “undo” anything. Why climb the mountain when we can make it come to us?


54 posted on 01/08/2015 6:11:29 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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