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ATF position on equipment use threatens private gun-making
.examiner.com ^ | 1/5/15 | David Codrea

Posted on 01/05/2015 9:36:40 PM PST by Nachum

In its first ruling of 2015, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has held that businesses may not allow individuals to use their equipment to further process incomplete firearm blanks, frames and receivers , attorney Joshua Prince reported Saturday. Such businesses may not assist or provide machinery access to unlicensed individuals without being licensed firearms manufacturers.

The ruling, signed by ATF Director B. Todd Jones on Friday, also holds that the businesses must “identify (mark) any such firearm and maintain manufacturing records,” and that Gun Control Act requirements may not be avoided by allowing persons to perform processes on machinery, tools and equipment a business controls access to. Excluded from the ruling are weapons and devices regulated by the National Firearms Act.

The effect of this ruling will be to close down operations in which persons who are legally entitled to manufacture their own firearms for personal use are permitted by a business to use its equipment, either with instruction or without. Provided such firearms are not intended to be sold or distributed, marking and record-keeping requirements do not apply. By changing the rules, ATF has closed down a means by which people who lack the equipment themselves to finish off a part will be able to exercise their right to build a firearm, a practice many rely on, particularly when completing so-called “80 percent” precursor receivers.

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Comin' for yer guns
1 posted on 01/05/2015 9:36:40 PM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 01/05/2015 9:37:22 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Is there any basis in the USC for the existence of the ATF?


3 posted on 01/05/2015 9:42:12 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

none


4 posted on 01/05/2015 9:44:53 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum
In its first ruling of 2015, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has held that businesses may not allow individuals to use their equipment to further process incomplete firearm blanks, frames and receivers , attorney Joshua Prince reported Saturday.

Don't we have special people who are tasked with making laws? Why is an unelected bureaucrat telling free people what they can or cannot machine on their own equipment?

5 posted on 01/05/2015 9:45:45 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Nachum
Hey, ATF: F— You and your blatantly contraconstitutional “ruling”.
Article. I.
Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

6 posted on 01/05/2015 9:46:49 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SamuraiScot
Is there any basis in the USC for the existence of the ATF?

None.
It's actually a relic, a holdover from prohibition which you'd think was repealed by Amendment XXI, but apparently case-law trumps constitutional law.
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7 posted on 01/05/2015 9:48:34 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Nachum
I wonder if this is more fallout from Raich, which expanded the Commerce Clause beyond what even the Ninth Circuit was willing to allow =>

Not long after the decision in Raich, the Court vacated a lower court decision in United States v. Stewart and remanded it to the court of appeals for reconsideration in light of Raich. In Stewart, the Ninth Circuit had held that Congress lacked the Commerce Clause power to criminalize the possession of homemade machine guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

8 posted on 01/05/2015 9:50:41 PM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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To: Ken H

Bingo. Nice catch.


9 posted on 01/05/2015 9:52:11 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum

What would stop people from forming a coop and buying such machinery in common?


10 posted on 01/05/2015 9:56:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Nachum

> Comin’ for yer guns

Especially the ones that haven’t been manufactured yet so it seems.


11 posted on 01/05/2015 9:57:50 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Ken H

Save


12 posted on 01/05/2015 10:00:05 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What would stop people from forming a coop and buying such machinery in common?

Nothing would sop people. They cannot do a thing to stop self made (and now printed) guns. People are arming themselves to the teeth. They see what's happening.

13 posted on 01/05/2015 10:05:34 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

It is now only a matter of when.


14 posted on 01/05/2015 10:16:03 PM PST by sport
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“What would stop people from forming a coop and buying such machinery in common?”

Why bother? You can buy a very nice bench top mill for a few hundred bucks! That’s really all the “machinery” you need.


15 posted on 01/05/2015 10:34:23 PM PST by vette6387
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To: Nachum
 
Another backdoor way of trying to put the crimp on at-home businesses run out of a garage or a shop out back is what this really is about. The up and coming 3D printing revolution is giving them the vapors so they're scrambling for an angle against that too.
 
 
Meanwhile, in Afghanistan -
 
 

16 posted on 01/05/2015 10:53:23 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Nachum
Apparent Anti-American ATF position on equipment use threatens private gun-making which is how America got started in the first place=

viz

Mills for making gunpowder and manufactories for arms were set up in several of the colonies and great encouragement was offered for making saltpeter.” The History of the Origin, Progress, and Termination of the .American War,” Stedman, C. 1794, Volume 1, p.110

1775 “Preparations were now making in all the colonies for holding the general congress which was to meet at Philadelphia in the month of May. It has been before observed that the inhabitants of the middle and southern colonies began to arm themselves individually towards the end of the preceding year.” = Stedman,p.115

---------- " Jan 20, 1776

"that it lay for further consideration The Committee to draw a Plan for Providing fire arms for a Colony Stock Report as follows viz That for every good firearm Manufactured in this Colony made after the following manner viz a Barrell three feet nine Inches long to carry an ounce ball a good Bayonet with blade Eighteen inches long Iron ramrod with a Spring to retain the Same the makers name Engraved on the Lock which Shall be delivered at Exeter to Nicholas Gilmnn Esq receiver General on or before the first of May next the owner of Such firearms receive Three pounds for Each of said receiver General after having Tryed said gun in the Presence of the said receiver General. Such firearms receive Three pounds for Each of said receiver General after having Tryed said gun in the Presence of the said receiver General with four Inches & a half of Powder well wadded at his the owner's own Risque and that there be appointed one Good man well approved in Each County to receive any firearms so made in said County on the Same Condition as before mentioned for the rec General to receive them and the Persons so appointed to receive the money for the Number of Guns so Delivered" p15, "Provincial and State Papers, Volume 8 during the revolution 1776-1783" By New Hampshire ", Nathaniel Bouton

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citizens make gunpowder ingredients

"but the making of Salt Petre has made such rapid progress especially at Portsmouth where both clergy and Laity are employed six days in the week 8 the Seventh is seasoned with it." "Provincial and State Papers, Volume 8 during the revolution 1776-1783" By New Hampshire ", Nathaniel Bouton p26 taken from "the new hampshire gazette", Jan 9 1776, No.1001

viz 1777 Sept. "24th Weather delightful. 4 or 5 shot exchanged between our [British] foraging parties and the rebels about 9 this morning. Early this morning our pickets in the rear fired at some straggling rebels.

This township of Norrington is very rebellious. All the manufactures about this country seem to consist of Powder, Ball, Shot, firearms and swords.

The army halted this day."

1777 Nov. "6th ...Quarter Master General received orders to fix our Quarters near this city, intended for 10,000 men. Gun powder found lodged in Chimneys of this city by the rebels." [Philadelphia]

p.474, Montresor. "The Montresor Journals", Volume 14 By John Montrésor, James Gabriel Montrésor : Gideon Delaplaine Scull, ‎ - 1882

17 posted on 01/05/2015 11:22:13 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (re (`("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))
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To: Nachum

“businesses may not allow individuals to use their equipment to further process incomplete firearm blanks, frames and receivers ,”

But it`s legal for a ROBOT to run the gun-making equipment and make a gun.


18 posted on 01/05/2015 11:27:09 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (re (`("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")))
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To: Nachum
I suspect this is aimed at ARES Armor in San Diego. They sell unfinished, marked AR-15 receivers with no serial number. The don't need a form 4473. They have permitted purchasers to use their equipment to finish the receiver with the missing cuts/holes so that it can be made into a working receiver.

My local FFLs have finished receivers without the internal parts as cheap as $60. I may buy one just to have the fun of assembling a lower with my choice of components.

19 posted on 01/05/2015 11:32:00 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

I have heard of them. Heard a lot of their clients are police and ex-military.


20 posted on 01/05/2015 11:48:13 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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