Posted on 12/29/2014 8:22:43 AM PST by C19fan
You're confusing the issue. Adultery isn't about "consenting." If one spouse has committed adultery, by definition that means the other spouse never consented.
Oh, sure, the two (or more) adulterers consented with each other. But the faithful spouse never did. A cheating spouse could pick up an STD and pass it on to the other spouse. Some STDs (AIDS, HPV) can make you seriously ill and even kill you. That's why adultery should be considered reckless endangerment.
It's predatory behavior against the other spouse. An adulterer preys on the other spouse by exploiting and taking advantage and lying while cheating with other people on the side.
The cheating spouse could pick up an STD and pass it on to the other spouse. That's why adultery really should be considered a form of reckless endangerment.
I’m not sure backing things up to abstract “natural law” solves anything. Bottom line: Is committing adultery a natural right, or not?
“but what is wrong with consenting adults doing what they will with each other?”
How about the guy who enticed my wife away? I had no idea of what was going on until the day she packed her things out of he house while I was at work. Almost drove me to the point of ending it all. Has ruined my life, my family, my finances. Not to mention our teenage daughter who is now running wild. Mom has custody and does nothing to stop it.
There is what’s wrong with it. It affects much more than the two “consenting adults.”
“It’s predatory behavior against the other spouse. An adulterer preys on the other spouse by exploiting and taking advantage and lying while cheating with other people on the side.
The cheating spouse could pick up an STD and pass it on to the other spouse. That’s why adultery really should be considered a form of reckless endangerment.”
No. It’s not predatory the other spouse is free to leave.
If the other spouse leaves and the cheating spouse stalks them that’s predatory.
Should there also be laws against lying or hurting somebody’s feelings then?
How about somebody who damages their spouse by watching too much NFL on the Sunday package. That could cause the neglected spouse to have low self esteem.
The STD argument is not much different than saying I can sue my wife for reckless endangerment because she buys processed food or because she smokes in the house, second hand smoke you know.
Seems like you’re a nanny stater as well. You want to pass laws that stifle personal liberty because you disapprove of people making choices different than yours.
“How about the guy who enticed my wife away? I had no idea of what was going on until the day she packed her things out of he house while I was at work. Almost drove me to the point of ending it all. Has ruined my life, my family, my finances. Not to mention our teenage daughter who is now running wild. Mom has custody and does nothing to stop it.
There is what’s wrong with it. It affects much more than the two “consenting adults.””
Sorry about your personal situation. Life can be difficult when you’re a grownup.
I have no idea what really happened in your marriage but if your wife was enticed away from you well she was willing to be enticed. Also I’d bet that she has a pretty long list of her own of things you did or didn’t do that “made” her commit adultery. You’ll have some idea of what’s on that list. You mentioned a boat in an earlier post. Maybe you spent too much time with your boat. Should boats be outlawed.
Again I’m sorry for your personal situation but people are going to lie, cheat, steal and hurt each others feelings. Passing laws to outlaw human nature just makes more criminals and gives more power over our lives to a government that already has too much power over our lives.
“when a man knows enough to LEFT the seat”.....
Sorry for the error in typing.....obviously that should read “LIFT”.
My bad!
“when a man knows enough to LEFT the seat”.....
Sorry for the error in typing.....obviously that should read “LIFT”.
My bad!
Adultery remains a punishable offense in the military.
But sodomy, not so much....
Nonconsensual adultery is fraud.
Plain and simple.
What couples agree to on their own is their own business.
“Nonconsensual adultery is fraud.
Plain and simple.
What couples agree to on their own is their own business.”
What exactly is non-consensual adultery?
How can you commit adultery that you don’t consent to.
Would a law against adultery have an exemption for couples that agree to it.
I wonder if over zealous nanny state officials would honor an exemption.
No. this is just another way to regulate personal liberty and personal responsibility and free will.
For your own good of course.
“Nonconsensual adultery is fraud.
Plain and simple.
What couples agree to on their own is their own business.”
I’m sorry. I misunderstood your statement.
It is a misrepresentation and certainly a lie. Lying isn’t illegal though.
Misrepresentation can be if you can prove it caused some tangible damage.
Nonconsensual adultery is when the partner you’re cheating on doesn’t agree to the extramarital deal.
And I wouldn’t have any special adultery laws.
But I might allow those who enter into a marital contract under agreement of fidelity to sue for fraud a partner who thus violates that contract.
It’s hard to deny that a cheating spouse causes damage.
And you’re right, a lie isn’t illegal unless the lie was part of a contractual agreement—such as a marriage.
“It’s hard to deny that a cheating spouse causes damage.
And you’re right, a lie isn’t illegal unless the lie was part of a contractual agreement—such as a marriage.”
And if the contract is being honored say by working and supporting the family, paying the bills, raising the kids?
I can always find some behavior I think does damage that I personally disagree with.
This is just more stifling of personal liberties by people who are either morally self righteous or too weak to exercise any self control or accept any personal responsibility.
In other words feel good nanny staters.
They are laws protecting the life, liberty, safety and property of others. Adultery is not in the same camp, and everyone here making the same "of course you can legislate morality" argument knows it perfectly well.
Faithfulness is fundamental to the marriage contract. Those who don’t want to be held to such a standard shouldn’t enter such a contract. Or, as the law allows, should exit such a contract.
Pretty basic and pretty straightforward.
Also false. One cannot "know perfectly well" a falsehood.
Attempts to excuse sexually related immoral behavior from the realm of legislation, on the grounds that "you can't legislate morality" are the result of a guilty conscience.
False.
and everyone here making the same "of course you can legislate morality" argument knows it perfectly well.
Also false. One cannot "know perfectly well" a falsehood.
Attempts to excuse sexually related immoral behavior from the realm of legislation, on the grounds that "you can't legislate morality" are the result of a guilty conscience.
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