Posted on 12/16/2014 1:37:17 AM PST by elhombrelibre
But but but Putin’s supposed to help engineer the one world government! ::snort::
Why attack Israel when you can jump over them and bomb out the KSA instead?
Seriously, why would you try to take out Israel when you know Israel can retaliate with nukes in a way the KSA cannot?
The Iranians will happily occupy KSA. All Russia has to do is keep the KSA from pumping oil and the price will go back up. The KSA, and not fracking, is causing the plunge in oil.
The KSA has $800B in cash reserves. They can pump day and night to wipe out the economies of their enemies. THAT’s what is significant about that graphic. NONE of the KSA’s allies are impacted by this tactic of theirs.
The ONLY thing fracking does for the market, and the US, is POTENTIALLY sets up the US as someone big enough, and with enough reserves, to participate in making the market in the same way the KSA does.
The press is selling this business about FRACKING being the cause for the plunge. The KSA, all by itself, is doing this, and will keep doing this for as long as it takes to topple Putin and the retards in Iran and Syria.
Putin’s decision now is whether to escalate against the KSA, and bomb them out (they’ll save Mecca), or let the KSA bleed the Russians out.
The question on everyone’s mind - what about the 4th Armored in the KSA? Can you bomb them out without killing any US soldiers? Are we quietly putting US forces in strategic locations in the KSA as sort of ‘human shields’? What would Obola do if the Russians decide on a massive, but LIMITED, campaign against the KSA? How about the EU? If the Russians get those capital reserves, and the oil, they could wait out the EU in terms of not buying oil from the Russian alliance, but not for very long.
Eventually, the world would settle in on the Russians making the market for oil, not the KSA. They’d tell the US, “Look at the money you are going to save in not having to protect those Saudi supply lines for the Europeans! We’ll happily do that ourselves!!”
The Russians have to hit the KSA. When is the question.
I’m not a Putin fan....but I like him better than our prez.
The Bible makes it crystal CLEAR in Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39 that a coalition of Russia and Persia (Iran) and several other nations will come to Israel and attack Israel. It is for gain, for “booty” as the Scriptures state it. So, the Bible says that is going to happen in these last days. Thus, I believe it is going to happen exactly as the LORD has said He has designed it. THAT is why I say they are going to attack Israel. And, THEY WILL!!
We agree. How the events unfold may be the surprise.
I think their will be several several Russian moves. Naval maneuvers with the Iranians in the Persian Gulf, a build up of Russian armed forces near Azerbaijan to eventually invade and link up directly with Iran via the Persian corridor of WWII fame. Iran and Russia just need to jointly threaten the Saudis. Price of oil will go back to $100 plus quickly.
Who cares.
Maybe. I hope you are right. Remember, the Iranians would love to occupy KSA on religious principles.
Persia still sees itself as a world power, and they believe that one day they will rise to the prominence they had 5000 years ago.
I am not pulling for anyone. I just enjoy playing armchair general. But it just makes sense that Russia and Iran take advantage of the weakness they perceive in the Obama administration.
Oh, I know you’re not. You ARE suggesting that the massing of forces near Azerbaijan will give the Saudis a moment of pause.
I really do hope you are right.
Putin wants a complete military upgrade by 2020, but he’s got no cash and no credit. He doesn’t just make empty statements.
They are a petrostate. If you want nice things you have to change the market and eliminate competitors.
The only, and easiest, way to do that is by knocking KSA out of the box with either conventionally tipped ballistic missiles, nukes, or strategic bombing.
They don’t have the tanks and troops to reinforce the Iranians. I don’t think the Turks have it either.
I could be very wrong about that, but . . .
The biggest problem here is that $100/BBL seems high, but not for all the dollars the US has printed in the last six years. The money supply could probably support an oil peg of $150.
Chicoms are letting ChiComCaps buy things over seas including businesses and real estate because it suits their espionage plans.
Let your people buy overseas and then threaten to put them in jail on trumped up charges of embezzlement or fraud unless they cooperate with their Secret Police/Spy agency.
Only when one of the bigwig ChiComCaps defects and blows the whistle on Peking’s subversion will we learn the whole story.
However, you can read old congressional hearings/reports/studies on Red China ops from the 1950’s onward to see how they operate.
* House Committee on Un-American Activities ,esp. “Communist Economic Warfare”, possibly about 1956
* House Internal Security Committee
* Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, Sen. Judiciary Committee, esp. the 90 volume publications on “The Strategy and Scope of Soviet Subversion” or close to that name, and another 40+ set of hearings of a similar title (that revealed information the Frank Marshall Davis, one of Obama’s reported mentors/friends, was sent to Hawaii not just on behalf of the Communist Party USA, but to function as a Soviet propaganda asset (sent by Secret CPUSA leaders Harry Bridges and Paul Robeson, the latter who had direct ties into the CP’s Chicago/Illinois covert operations).
*There are some SISS hearings by Chinese defectors that are worth reading.
The Nationalist China have, over the years, put out a massive number of reports on Red Chinese operations and techniques, esp. the little “Blue Books” of the late 1960’s-70’s”.
The Red Chinese Communist Party is today re-entrenching itself in the old Maoist format, with an internal Party purge cleaning out the old Guard of the previous Premier that is nationwide in scope. Hattip to the John Batchelor Show and esp. Gordon Chang and Richard Fisher for their invaluable observations and analyses.
When and if he Saudis are taken out oil goes to $200 plus. Many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia are near or in Shiite populated areas and the locals might give support to the Iranians.
I think Kuwait could be on that list of elimination you talked about since they are on the way to Arabia. Bahrain and the Qatar would probably also be hammered by missile strikes also since they have strong Air Forces. Bahrain is majority Shiite.
I know USA troops are based in or near the countries of Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, hopefully they won’t get hit.
Iran can oversee all traffic in the Gulf. It would be crazy for the USA to keep ships in the Gulf in case of war. Too many shore to ship missiles are deployed there by Iran. I understand they are placed in hardened sites and could be hard to bomb.
The USA has drawn down its naval forces and we just can’t afford to lose many ships.
Russia and Iran might figure they have nothing too lose.
Putin’s going to lose people in Russia if he doesn’t do something decisive. I didn’t know about Bahrain, and the fields being in Shiite controlled areas.
Russia will have to be the ones doing the bombing. Iran doesn’t have the air force for it.
December is going out with a bang.
There will have to be some sort of incident between the Saudis and Iranians before Iran and Putin act.
Possible some intensified civil insurrection by majority Shiites in Bahrain. Last time Saudis sent in tanks to help the Sunni royalty. This time the Russians and Iranians might invade to help the Shia. (about 2/3 to 3/4 of Bahrain is Shia) The US Fifth Fleet is stationed at Bahrain and about 6,000 US military personnel.
Things could get REAL hairy.
Along the lines you are talking about, the Russians used the idea of SEPARATISM to justify the Crimean invasion early this year. The Shiites have the right to self-rule, the Iranians support them, etc.
Obola won’t allow us to get involved. ValJar is Iranian born. Obola will give what essentially amounts to a statement of no objection.
Yup. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving man.
Yet they have fared much better than the Russians. What have the Chinese did right that the Russians did wrong?
What is unclear about prophecy is where does the US stand? It seems to be left out altogether from biblical prophecy.
The chinese are natural entrepreneurs. There have always been the “overseas Chinese everywhere on the Pacific Rim. They have businesses and small manufacturing abilities. Taiwan grew by leaps and bounds.
Once the economy was loosened from tne Communist death grip, those overseas interacted with the home. Nixon went to China following other world leaders. All the pent up desire to do business was unleashed,
It is far more complex of course but the west went to russia and made investment that never really did very well. n china, there was growth.
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