Posted on 12/14/2014 5:48:38 AM PST by Kaslin
It is not a big if when people are jumping from the 40th floor to avoid burning to death. No if, no maybe. Certain death. And you would not dunk a known bad guy underwater to prevent a recurrence. You occupy no higher moral plane. St Thomas was pretty clear. Not defending innocent human life is a sin, not a virtue.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Thank God there are people ready to do violence for their country. Otherwise, there may well not be a country to fight for. BTW in the long run 50-100 years we will loose the war against Islam because people like you and DiFi insist on playing nice.
Just another step in the left’s campaign to destroy America.
so we lost WWI and WWII? Don’t recall we water boarded in either of those.
Its one thing to torture the bad guys, its another to bomb them in a war.
This is war. Mistakes happen. Not all bombs hit their targets. The kenyan & W. killed hundreds of civilians with drones. Some of those innocents died slow deaths. Should we stop droning also?
look there are rules for that too. Is it a legitimate target? Go for it. There are rules for all this stuff. Torture is not only wrong, it is illegal. Why do you think all those DOJ lawyers had to write tomes of crapola attempting to justify it under the law? Because torture is illegal that’s why.
As you pointed out those were SOLDEIRS and bound by the various conventions. If you think no Japanese were tortured to get information you are very misinformed.
Link please
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
I will throw in some Germans:
Having received intelligence that a fleet of German U-Boats armed with V-1 Flying Bombs were heading towards Eastern coast of America, the U.S. and Canada sent out a large anti-submarine task force comprised of some 42 destroyers and four aircraft carriers to neutralise the threat. Over the course of a month, the fleet sank five German submarines and captured two others, while suffering the loss of one destroyer.
But this entry concerns the treatment of five crew-members from the U-546, who were brutally interrogated in order to quickly extract information concerning a possible missile attack on the eastern coast. One officer who was tortured committed suicide whilst in custody. Were the American torture methods justified? You decide but bear in mind that the fears later turned out to be unfounded.
http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/
More Japanese:
Unfortunately, due to the volatile and vicious nature of the war, there was practically zero press on the ground to provide concrete evidence of atrocities (the photograph above, taken by Tom Simmen, is one of the few to have surfaced). Survivors, however, reported mass looting and pillaging, summary execution, and torture of POWs and Chinese civilians believed to have been collaborating with Imperial Japan as well as mass rape within occupied settlements to name but a few.
http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/
I am off to execute some coyotes. I promise not to waterboard tem first.
“So if torture is just A-OK, how long does it take us to descend down the slippery slope to sawing off heads? If killing people accidentally while torturing them for information or just because is just peachy keen, where to draw the line............decisions, decisions.”
One of my best friends would like to comment on this, but he’s not available. He was reduced to a pile of dust by Muslim terrorists on 9/11. They did identify a very small piece of his hip bone, that was delivered to his wife and 3 young children one Saturday morning a few years later. So there is that. I have no sympathy at all for what they do to these savages.
There were rules for “torture” also. There are mistakes in war. We’ve got to deal with that fact or not fight wars.
The movie “Unthinkable” explores the limits of torture. Beware it is not for the squemish but it will make you think. I thought it was a good movie up to the last 2 minutes. The ending was really stupid.
I believe that American good outweighs Muslim bad any day of the week. Sort of “the ends justify the means” thing.
“The CIA Smacked Around A Few Terrorists. So What?” Exactly. The days of the Geneva Convention are gone as long as we oppose the expansion of Islamist thug culture.
More precisely, the prez gets his target list for this ‘clinically clean’ drone killing from WHAT sources? The very ones developed from this enhanced interrogation, that’s where.
What this was about was lib biotch Di-Fi being spied on by counter intel from the US for the leaks she’s been involved in, in the very wary we are fighting against terror. In view of her liberal/euro socialist connections, it is possible her leaks were directed against the Israel she doesn’t want— the self defense Israel. Keep in mind also that Di-Fi is the living example of a govt. parasite thief of federal property and venture socialism, and anti-2nd Amendment all for gun seizures of any kind (remember semi-auto rifles and magazine size, she wanted banned). As such, she is the witting tool- the useful idiots of the marxists who want this country destroyed and replaced by them. So, more power to the CIA and the NSA to spy on the intel committee chief for leaking sensitive info to our enemies and getting our people killed. It is bigger than this BS press release and righteous indignation for the press. She is a liar— plain and simple. And so is Hitlery and Warren.
Or perhaps the women and children are connected to the “involved”. Like when Reagan ordered the F-111 attacks on Quadaffi and his family, killing many of his family. He definitely shut the hell up after that— for many many years.
In the islamofascist world superior force and targeted barbarism gets results— it is likely all the terror merchants respect.
About which see the very preachy “Munich” which did happen— they paid dearly for their transgressions.
Something a lot of people don’t know is that Reagan hired sub-rosa Brit ex SAS people to go into Lebanon and completely utterly take out all of the people involved in bombing the US Marine barracks. They got them all— and the fedayeen learned a serious lesson.
This has to be the way, because jihad (promotion of islam by violent means per the koran) is a self generating army of crazy people willing to kill themselves to kill- us.
Well, they have— beheadings with videos and pushing buttons.
So, yeah the fair question is there and so is our answer. Much better to sweat the principals and get the network than the sanitized obamaumao version of drone strikes— like the air force that never sees what it does to people on the ground. Targeted, precise and effective elimination of the networks for generations— that is what works.
Not according to the UN, and the EU, but definitely according to the Muslim Brotherhood. Of course what they are doing... right now... it not.
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